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[dbphoenix]

Well that's nice of you. As for the rare part, I don't know. Anyone who can read and who is willing to do so will acknowledge that England, France, and the US are responsible for this situation, but few people in any of these countries are willing to stand up and accept that responsibility. This is, to coin a phrase, chicken sh*t. And when I hear Trump or May babble about how "this has gone far enough", I want to bang my head against the wall. What exactly are they planning to do about it? Nothing? Most likely. Because there is absolutely nothing that can be done. This is a classic example of whatever goes around, comes around, and until our so-called leaders grow up and treat their adversaries like fellow adults, this situation will only get worse.

 

[tomorton]

Well that's nice of you. As for the rare part, I don't know. Anyone who can read and who is willing to do so will acknowledge that England, France, and the US are responsible for this situation, but few people in any of these countries are willing to stand up and accept that responsibility. This is, to coin a phrase, chicken sh*t. And when I hear Trump or May babble about how "this has gone far enough", I want to bang my head against the wall. What exactly are they planning to do about it? Nothing? Most likely. Because there is absolutely nothing that can be done. This is a classic example of whatever goes around, comes around, and until our so-called leaders grow up and treat their adversaries like fellow adults, this situation will only get worse.

I do accept the west is responsible for much on-going chaos in the Middle East. I've also said I'd rather that was occurring than we were starved of oil. Its also (sadly) the case that while Syria, Egypt and Libya etc. are in internal chaos, they're not strong enough to wage any international wars of aggression in the region. They have plenty of form in that department.

 

[tomorton]

The US is part of "the West". Note my mention of the Monroe Doctrine. In any case, if one's country has made a habit of subjugating other peoples, it doesn't matter how many others have engaged in the same behavior.

I had to look up Monroe Doctrine, its not a commonly used term in the UK.

However, what is common is an American disdain for historical (European) empires, when the US engaged in empire-building of its own way beyond North and South America. Just so long as we all accept we're all guilty of the same crime. If that's what you say it was.

 

[dbphoenix]

Being "starved of oil" is not adequate justification for assuming proprietary rights over another country, much less an entire region.

As for empire-building, our treatment of the American Indian and the Mexicans that were living here at the time we decided we wanted their land comes as close to criminal as one can get.

Texans, of course, don't want to hear that we stole it, and that there was nothing heroic about the defenders of the Alamo.

 

[tomorton]

Being "starved of oil" is not adequate justification for assuming proprietary rights over another country, much less an entire region.

We do it to them or they do it to us. I don't want to see them conquered in a re-run of the empire-building cycle of the earlier centuries. But I want to see them so weak and disunited that they can't gang up on us or our allies.

Its more than war which is a matter of life and death you know.

 

[dbphoenix]

Do unto others before they do unto you is not a code that I want to live by.

 

[Splitlink]

We do it to them or they do it to us. I don't want to see them conquered in a re-run of the empire-building cycle of the earlier centuries. But I want to see them so weak and disunited that they can't gang up on us or our allies.

Its more than war which is a matter of life and death you know.

Well said. It has to be like that.

 

[Splitlink]

Do unto others before they do unto you is not a code that I want to live by.

That, unfortunately, is the creed that left-wingers live by. Divide and rule is the old English policy. It works in many ways-not just in war. Socialists would win more elections for the needy at home, if they followed it abroad, The Arab block needs breaking up and left to squabble amongst themselves.

 

[hhiusa]

Do unto others before they do unto you is not a code that I want to live by.

Guess what, you might not have to "live by" that if they get their way because you might not be living at all if they get their way. Like Tom said, it is about life and death.

Those who 'abjure' violence can do so only because others are committing violence on their behalf.

 

[Pat494]

Well well looks like a hung Parliament. In fact Madame got it horribly wrong. With the election manifesto botched up by an idiot it is hardly surprising , I suppose.
Now what ?
Glad to see the SNP got found out. Even that oily fish lost.

 

[tomorton]

It just seems so obvious now. When people are told one thing and the government does another (repeatedly), when people don't know why government is asking them to vote, and people can't see what they're going to get if they do vote for the government, whoever called the vote is just asking for some pretty rough treatment.

I hope its a lesson learned and not forgotten again.

 

[Pat494]

It just seems so obvious now. When people are told one thing and the government does another (repeatedly), when people don't know why government is asking them to vote, and people can't see what they're going to get if they do vote for the government, whoever called the vote is just asking for some pretty rough treatment.

I hope its a lesson learned and not forgotten again.

One really wonders if " the people " really have a clue what they are insisting on with referendums. I mean we can't be in the EU one week and out the next, united with Scotland and then not. That man Cameron should have insisted on at least a 10% majority to have Brexit ! But no and now it's in the balance.

PURE shambles.

 

[dbphoenix]

That, unfortunately, is the creed that left-wingers live by. Divide and rule is the old English policy. It works in many ways-not just in war. Socialists would win more elections for the needy at home, if they followed it abroad, The Arab block needs breaking up and left to squabble amongst themselves.

You have an interesting take on "left-wingers". In the US, it's the right-wingers who live by that philosophy. One has only to skim the daily news to understand this.

 

[Splitlink]

It was meant to be an answer to your post #106. Actually, "divide and rule" is not, it is true, the exclusive tactic of the left, but is used by both sides.

 

[dbphoenix]

You have an interesting interpretation of "left".

 

[wackypete2]

One really wonders if " the people " really have a clue what they are insisting on with referendums. I mean we can't be in the EU one week and out the next, united with Scotland and then not. That man Cameron should have insisted on at least a 10% majority to have Brexit ! But no and now it's in the balance.

PURE shambles.

I see you guys in the UK are having political troubles too
Politics is bad all over, mostly due to ill-informed voters.

Peter

 

[Pat494]

I see you guys in the UK are having political troubles too
Politics is bad all over, mostly due to ill-informed voters.

Peter

You don't think it could possibly be a great lack of choice ?



I suppose in most countries there is no choice at all.

 

[Atilla]

I see you guys in the UK are having political troubles too
Politics is bad all over, mostly due to ill-informed voters.

Peter

You may be right however, most UK voters stopped listening to Sky News and the Daily trash and switched over to online forums where the debate is between real people and real issues and not Rupert Murdochs newspaper empire and what they can do for the Tory party.

Heard about this site on Radio 4 this morning.
https://www.thecanary.co/

Problem with ill informed voters is that such people have less developed brains in deciphering the BS that trickles down from the top to the lower layers. We shouldn't blame them as the lies and deceptions from politicians increasingly sophisticated, wearing expensive clothes that spell money wealth and BS.

I mean regurgitating BS about what Corbyn had for breakfast in 1984 is total b0ll0cks but national news media thought it was important for the elections. Same goes for the imminent nuclear meltdown if TM loses and how she is the only person to negotiate Brexit. Not only that she calls a freaking election in the middle of the most important negotiations with 11 days to go. Says other leaders not prepared. Ofcourse not you silly cow as you have put your bitchy importance not to account for your actions before parliament above national interest.

Let's think about it for one moment. Labour almost knocks out Tories with a corporation tax RE-increase back to 2010 levels 2% below where they were before the Tories brought it down. In contrast Theresa May states if she doesn't get the deal she want she'll further reduce corporation tax to those of Ireland or below to slap European Union into line to give us what we want.

So our social services are already run down and how does she think that'll go down with the electorate who are promised more money into services (lie), more jobs (lie) and higher wages (some people must be dreaming).

One would really have to be remarkably STUPID to believe in all this sh1t and indeed likes of UKIP voters and some Tories are.

Can anyone now imagine the arrogance and contempt of Theresa May to not show up for the debate on TV?

Then to slag it off saying it was a shouting match? Not listening to peoples concerns, suffering and voices and to say it was a shouting match??? I hope she's feeling their passions now as I felt it talking to them on door steps.

Just how out of touch can anyone be??? Then we have coalition of chaos => Tories in bed with DUP.

Then we have the money tree as above lots of give aways to corporations and high earners whilst starving public services and people in need.



So pleased to hear debates on TV and analysis now as to why the Tories got such beating against other parties!!!

Tories were hemorrhaging along with their Brexit lies, deceit and soundbites but just got lots of rebukes and laughter from them.

People are waking up to reality and the colour of Tories and consequences of UKIP. :clap::clap::clap:



One last point, I would love Farage to come back. With young people now taking an interest in politics along with more information on what Brexit will look like his going to have to explain what he envisages for Britain.

However I strongly suspect his only good at moaning and having a talk show on LBC suits him just fine. Yap yap yap.

 

[Pat494]

Mrs Poodle is under attack. Senior Tories want her best buddy advisors sacked or else !
Never heard of Nick Timothy or Fiona Hill but apparently they concocted the poor manifesto etc.

 

[Atilla]

Mrs Poodle is under attack. Senior Tories want her best buddy advisors sacked or else !
Never heard of Nick Timothy or Fiona Hill but apparently they concocted the poor manifesto etc.

They did as they were told and TM showed p1ss poor judgement not consulting anyone either.

Apparently cabinet didn't get a look in to manifesto until night before.

She is the only one and so we are told she has the best team. Where have I heard that before. Sounds a bit like Trump to me. :cheesy: