I cant, I cant , I cant stand losing,
I cant, I cant, I cant stand losing,
I cant stand losing pips....
(apologies to Sting)
what are workable methods of overcoming the jitteryness of trading?
I have tried:
a: treating trading as providing a sales demo, where the trading risk is likened to the petrol spent getting to the clients offices. (no sales means I just lose the petrol costs; pips won means I got the deal)
b: done back-tests as best I can, as there are still some discretionary elements, but I undermine myself by looking at different time-frames.
c: traded so that my wins are same as risk, R1, ie, treat it as a loaded coin. in the long run, I should get a 50%+ hit-rate, and thus make money. this feels good, as I can fire-and-forget, but I can miss the big moves.
d: am trying entering multiple positions on lower time-frames to aggregate entries.
think I am just trying to keep myself occupied.
things that bother me:
1: looking back at finding a better entry.
2: bailing out only for the market to go on without me.
the least stressful one is just going for a nett +20 pips per day. but does that mean I am a "real" trader, or just playing?
I wonder also if I have a gamblers mind-set, where I need instant feedback, as per roulette, whereas trading means the results may not be known until the end of the day?
this also leads onto the frustrations of being "up" midday, only for the trade to fall to break-even at end of day, leaving me with the feeling of a wasted day, with nothing to show for it.
rambling post I know, but any advice on the mind-set side?
is 20 pips nett a day a "real" trading ambition? (causes me least hassle)
Hi Trendie,
More detailed answer than the last post which was a knee jerk reaction to something I experienced myself, I am going to answer every point, my last post was perhaps a bit grey.
each point ~
I cant stand losing, None of us can, I hate to lose
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So what are we going to do about it :?:
1. Accept loss in our mind as a possible outcome before the event. decide on what our posture will be if we do lose ie shake hands and congratulate our opponent :| (get stopped out and go for a cup of tea)
You have to accept it, you have your plan/ hard stop and limit in the market you have exercised all the control you can (trailing stops etc) you are protected by your own well thought out method YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR. NOTHING
2. You have tried various methods and you look back and see better entries.
Classic case of beating ones self up after the event and in my case/sport snooker would involve looking back at a missed pot. The point is the missed pot is not relevent only to me it is what happens next that is. This respone if negative and not well thought out will ruin my chance of winning the match.
MY opponent clears up with a 60 break
Constantly remind yourself that what happens next is all that matters and is going to have any bearing on the result . :| Take the next shot (trade) and execute your plan as you wrote it.
To start with have one simple plan, I ended up not able to trade because I had so many methods etc going on in my mind. Bill would do this macd says that ow look how the swing traders are doing today etc
ONE PLAN to include the usual, its a fix not to make money a simple trading plan to help you automate trading and remove FEAR OF FAILURE
an example - I could not trade because logic prevented me, I had lost one bank (All my own doing
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) Thanks for advice TW2 at least I had the commen sense to have a bank so the only damage was to me own head. The 2nd bank was down to 50% drawdown
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Fear ! I had followed the rules reduced my bank size followed my planssssssssss.
6 months I traded on pure FEAR not big stakes but the FEAR of failure would not go away, I recovered the bank january this year (07) I joined T2W proper and went back to the start. I had to many plannnnnnnnnnnssssssssssss/and ideassssssss:idea:
I wrote down a simple plan , and I am telling you it was simple, I decided to short or long the Dow using the week candles. If they had a poor week I would enter long the next week and hope to capture a weeks price move. thats it. I shorted the DOW right up the bollingers this summer because it finnished on its High most weeks so it was going down next week, right ? in what terned out to be the best bull run for some time.
I followed my plan to the letter, every monday I looked for a contray entry at the weeks High or Low, got stopped out got stopped out etc etc used discretion in the face of the bull to grab profits where I could I danced along all them TOPS.
Yes it was mad but the point is I followed the plan if thats what it was and it worked
My account was un- damaged. I had traded for 3 months without any FEAR taking the next trade in front of me.
sorry got carried away here ,
I hope you see the point, it does not have to be a very good plan, and yes I really did that and my account was level at the end of it my FEAR had gone and my confidence was well in credit
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3. Gamblers mindset, I think we all have this one a bit, we want a quick fix of what we want, a winning trade, so we close early and pray the market conforms our action, then we pat ourselves on the back for a job well done. NOT
Just don"t do that average in if the 1st positions wrong wait till its right before considerng another position.
I am still learnin this one so I will stop here :|
4. keeping busy, I find if I open a trade ticket with entry and check the progress or not of the trade it stops me , well I dont no what it stops me doin, but it feels constructive and helps me from straying from the job in hand (trade ftse intra day at moment) No 20 pips problem for me there mate
Hope posts from all have helped a bit