Anyone used LS Trader ?

It sounds as if you've taken quite a hit from LS and are feeling a bit aggrieved. The problem with these trend followers is you don't know when the transition from consolidation to trending will begin. If you get in toward the start of a consolidation phase you could see a difficult to deal with drawdown before you lurch into profit.

I can handle a reasonable drawdown, this is quite normal with such a trend type stategy....whats annoying is when the trades they recommend are just completely wrong they keep loading more and more money in correlated markets in the wrong direction....its as good as doubling or tripling down against the trend or a losing trade, and then being stopped out with un recoverable losses....its as if thier robot or whatever software they use is just stupid and oblivious to whats going on around, it seems to identify trends once the majority of the move has already happened.

not good at all....

plus the £147/month they charge is rather excessive...its just not worth it in the end.
 
Hmm I'm sure your right. You at least seem to have the advantage of first hand experience of using it and know what it's really like. I'm just theorising on what it should be like...
Which system do you use now, and how much a month is that one?
 
How is LS getting on? Each week I read the updates on their website and the clear impression given is that the system is forging ahead. They always seem to report their gains, informing us of how many points their trades made and the % gain that week. So, they should be way in profit this year if the update can be believed. However, a trader I have ocassional contact with tells me they are more like 20% down in reality. If this is the case then the updates would appear to be more notable for what they don't tell you about all the losers.... Am I being unfair here? The weekly update is obviously the bait to lure you into subscribing but, if in doing so, it is economical with the truth then it would make me question the integrity of the complete and very expensive membership package.
If I am wrong and I hear from lots of subscribers who use it and refute the points I've made then I would subscribe to it. It's just that I have my doubts based on what I read in the updates versus what I hear from just one subscriber.
 
Ls trader down nearly 50%....lol...desperation to hold onto subscribers?

The trades for Monday 2nd November 2009 have been uploaded to LSTrader.co.uk. Please login and go to the Trade Bet Calculator which the trades have been uploaded to.



This email can also be found in the members section of the LS Trader website. When you login, click on the page called �Latest Updates� and here you will find both of our emails for the week.



Summary

This coming week we are entering 2 new trades. There are no rollovers but we are adjusting stops on a few trades.



Trading conditions continue to be tough as volatility has once again been on the increase. During the past week the market conditions have been fairly extreme and we have had numerous emails from subscribers regarding certain principles of the system. We therefore have decided to cover some very important points in this week�s weekly update. These are important points and we urge you to take the time to read and digest what we have written here.



In this email we are revealing some of our proprietary methods and concepts for this first time and are doing so so that your understanding of our system and the markets is greatly enhanced. Once you have finished reading this email you should almost certainly be a better trader and have additional knowledge and understanding of the markets that will stay with you for the rest of your trading career.



The trader�s role



The role of the trader is to either design a trading system that works over the long term or find and follow a system that has a proven long term track record. The system should have set rules which cover when to enter a trade, when to exit a trade, which markets to trade, how much to stake on each trade and various other money management rules.



The system should be designed in such a way that it has an edge, which is a statistical long term advantage. If such is system has an edge and is followed consistently over time, then in the long run the follower of such a system will come out in front, although there will always be some bumps along the road, some losing trades and some losing periods.



Once the trader has his trading system in place his job is to follow the system consistently. In order to do this he must take the signals as and when the system generates them. If he knows that his system has a long term advantage, then he knows that over time the signals that the system generates are correct regardless of the outcome of individual trades.



Since the trader cannot in any way control the markets he must do the next best thing, which is focus on that which he can control, such as following his system. In doing so he knows that he has an advantage which if he keeps trading over time, the system will perform. In psychology, especially performance psychology or sports psychology the individual is taught that he cannot control the outcome of each performance but that he can control his own performance.



For example, Tiger Woods cannot stand on the tee at the 1st hole of a major championship and be certain that he will win the event, but he can focus on what he can control, which in Tiger�s case will be following his routine and putting 100% effort in on every shot. Beyond this there is nothing he can do to guarantee he will win as there are numerous factors that he cannot control, such as the performance of his opponents, the weather and the time of day he gets drawn to play. However, Tiger knows that but consistently following his routine and putting his best effort in to each shot, he is giving himself the maximum chance of success, regardless of the outcome.



In the same way, the trader cannot control the markets but he can control the decisions he makes, which should be based on the specific rules that his system has the lead to long term trading success. The successful trader then, knowing that his system works over time, will consistently follow his system regardless of the outcome of individual trades. It is no accident that the most successful traders in the world focus on decisions and not outcomes. This is the way to long term trading success.



An example from this week is that we are entering Rough Rice long. Everything about the trade suggests that it should lead to a profitable trade, because the long term and short term trends are up, last week was the highest weekly close in nearly in a year and the fact that the market has also cleared long term resistance, has done so with an increase in momentum and has also gapped higher. Rough rice is also at its highest price since November last year. Therefore anybody who went short rice during the past 12 months who is still in a short trade must necessarily be sitting on a loss.



This means that as Rice has broken out of a trading range that has held for most of the past 12 months, any short traders are under pressure to cover their short positions. In order to cover their short trades they must buy and this adds to the buying pressure for the market to move higher. At the same time, the traders that have sat on the sidelines in rice for the past 12 months have watched the battle between the bulls and the bears to wait to see who won. As of now, the bulls have won and the market has broken out of its range to the upside. This then brings rice to the attention of all the latent market participants and they then look to get on board, adding to more buying pressure. This obviously increases the chances that rice will continue to move higher.



However, this does not mean that the trade will work out, as with all other trades it still has a 60% chance of becoming a loser. It is still however correct to take the trade regardless of whether it wins or loses. It does not mean that the trade is wrong if it loses only that it did not work out. If one continues to take trades that it is correct to take over the long term, then the odds are very much in his favour that over time he will come out ahead.



This is the basis for entering all our trades, although the timeframe is not often as long as the rice example, but when we enter a trade long, it will always be because the market is moving up. When we enter short it will always be because the market is going down. When you have a trade where the long term and short term direction is the same, this gives the maximum change of the market continuing in the same direction and that is what medium to long term trend following is about.



All of the trades that we have taken this year have been in accordance with an approach that works in the long run, so at the time of taking the trades they were all correct, regardless of whether they worked out of not and should we be faced with the same set ups, we would do exactly the same thing again as doing so gives us the maximum chance of success.



Taking profits



Perhaps the question we get asked most often is why don�t we take profits sooner rather than risking the market reversing and taking our profits back. The reasons for this are very simple but this is perhaps the hardest part of trend following to follow. It is difficult to sit by and watch small or even moderate profits evaporate when the markets reverse but this has to happen on some occasions in order for us to be able to capture the big moves.



Overall the markets trend around 40% of the time. This means that 60% of the time the markets will be consolidating, i.e. going sideways, moving counter trend etc. Therefore, in round figures approximately 40% of our trades will be winners and 60% of our trades will be losers. It then follows that since we have more losing trades than winning trades that our winning trades must be larger than our losing trades if we are going to show a profit over time.



This is achieved by 2 key principles:



1. We must cut our losses short

2. We must let our losing trades run (even at the risk of the market reversing and giving back some or all of our profits on a particular trade)



If one thinks about this properly, by using good money management and containing our losing trades at a small percentage of equity (in the case of the model account of 2% per trade) then this takes care of keeping our losses small. It then follows that we have to get some big winning trades so that we can pay for all the losing trades that the system will generate over the course of a year.



Many people make the mistake of believing that profits should be taken early to avoid the markets taking them back but this is not correct. In fact, one of the biggest myths of Wall Street and one of the most damaging to trader�s profits is the belief that �You can never go broke taking a profit�. People tend to just accept this as gospel and are therefore on the lookout to take profits as quickly as possible and are often perplexed when we do not do so.



The reasons are simple and if we accept the logic that as we will have more losing trades than winning trades (there is no way around this regardless of what anyone tells you as the markets spend less time trending than consolidating) we must have our winners being larger than our losses, so therefore the myth of never going broke by taking a profit is not only wrong, but virtually ensures that you will go broke as small profits can never be enough to cover the losing trades.



To clarify:



1. If one always takes a small profit then by definition one can never take a large profit as to get a large profit the small profits need to be allowed the chance to grow in to a large profit.



2. Since we are trend following, we will only enter a market if there is evidence that the market is beginning to trend. We will therefore enter the trade and stay in the trade until it is no longer trending. Markets do not go up or down in straight lines and will often reverse or retrace some of a move but when they do it does not mean that the trend has ended.



3. The trend will still be in progress unless or until a key support or resistance level has been breached which confirms the end of a trend. This means that we do not want to take our profits on a trade if it is still above key support levels (or below resistance in the case of short trades) because as long as the market is above support (or below resistance) then the trend is still valid and we want to extract the maximum amount of profit possible from the trade before we exit. This cannot be done if we take our profits prematurely and run the risk of leaving a substantial amount of money on the table.



Placement and movement of stops



There are only ever 2 reasons for us to place our stops where we do and that is for



1. Money management rules. This means either placement of stops at a certain point at the start of a trade to incorporate the amount of risk per trade, the volatility of the market and also the potential profit factor of a certain market.



2. Support or resistance. In the case of long trades, our stops will always be placed below support or for short trades above resistance. Support and resistance is calculated by our proprietary trading rules, but we always place our stops below support or above resistance.



3. As we only ever enter a market on evidence that it is beginning to trend then a trend must be beginning or in progress when we enter a trend and will continue to be so unless support or resistance lines are breached.



4. Since we are trading a weekly system (our research shows that weekly systems have less �noise�, have lower transaction costs, are easier to follow and are on balance more profitable than more frequently traded approaches) support and resistance is calculated on a weekly basis. This means that the stops we enter on a Monday are good for the week and that there is nothing to do that week once the stops are in place.



Going for the big winners



During the course of a normal year, we will likely get several trades that produce big profits and over the course of a year, these big winning trades normally generate enough profit to pay for the losing trades and leave plenty over for profit.



To understand winning trades it is helpful to think in terms of units. For example:



A unit is a combination of the following:



1. 2% of current account equity (or whatever percentage of equity is being traded. In the case of the model account we use 2%, so that is what we will use for this example)



2. The distance in points from the entry price to the stop.



3. If a trade moves against us to the initial stop then it will equal a 1 unit loss, which is also 2% of account size.



For example, let us say that we are trading Gold long and that the distance from the entry price to the stop is 30 points. 1 unit is therefore 30 points. 1 unit is also 2% of our account size. Therefore, every move in gold of 30 points will equal 2% of our account size.



If gold moves 30 points against us that is a 1 unit loss, which is a 30 point loss and will equal also a 2% of account size loss. If gold moves for us 60 points, then that is a 2 unit profit and a profit equal to 4% of our account size.



Therefore, if we have a trade that brings in a 10 unit profit, then that is equal to 20% profit of our account size. A 10 unit profit will also by equivalence pay for 10 single unit losses. During the course of an average year, we will normally get a handful of trades that are 10 unit winners, and usually a couple that will pay considerably more. Last year for example, we had a 22 unit winning trade, which was the British Pound short against the Japanese yen. As we said, a 22 unit winning trade would be equal to 44%.



Had we had a 22 unit winning trade this year, that would be the difference between showing a loss for the year so far and being in profit. This is why we stress the importance of not taking profits early. Had we taken profits early on that trade last year we could not have had a 22 unit profit.



In addition to the 22 unit winning trade, we had numerous trades that produced 5-10+ unit winners. These quickly add up to cover all the losses of a year and leave plenty left for profit. This is why on average our system produces the large profits that it does.



The negative impact of high volatility this year on position sizing



When we calculate our position size, it will be based on our proprietary formula, which will include the risk per trade, the current volatility of the market and chart structure. If volatility is high, we must necessarily use a wider stop to account for the increased daily movement. This is done to avoid being taken out of a trade prematurely. If volatility is low, then we don�t have so much risk of being taken out on a large adverse move so can use a tighter stop and a subsequently bigger bet size per point. In trading this is known as �loading up�.



If we consider another example similar to gold above to explain the impact of volatility let assume that we are trading the British Pound long against the US dollar.



For this example, our stop on the trade will be 600 points away from the entry. Lets assume for ease of example that we are risking �600 per trade. We will therefore have a �1 per point bet size. This would be an example of a high volatility position size and reflective of the markets this year. We now have a trade that has a �1 bet size going for it for every point that the market moves in our favour. If the market moves 1000 our way before we exit the trade we have a 1000 point and �1000 profit.



Lets assume that the markets are not so volatile and are more normal. In this example we can trade with a 300 point stop. Assuming that we are still trading with �600 risk per trade, we can now trade �2 per point. We still have the same risk (300 x �2 is �600) but have twice the profit potential as our bet size is double. Now, the market moves 1000 points our way and we have a �2000 profit from the exact same trade. Or, the market only has to move half as far, say 500 points to bring us the same profit as the first example.



Over the past year or so, many of the markets have had a volatility that has been approximately double that of the historical norm according to our formulas. This means that we have had to use wider stops and smaller bet sizes per point. This necessarily means that the markets have to trend twice as far to bring in the same profits as they would in normal market conditions.



This is why this year that some of the trends that we have been in have not generated the same large profits that we would normally get. For example, we have had some trades that went on for a long time, such as Natural Gas earlier in the year, the Dollar index and the New Zealand dollar. Currently we are still in the Australian dollar which as also been a good winning trade. Had the markets not had approximately double the normal historical volatility, we would have had double the best size of each of these trades and consequently double the profit. This would have made a huge difference to our profits for the year.



Nearly all traders, including some so called gurus fail to understand the importance of an initial stop and position size. Place the stop too close to the market and there is too much risk and a big chance of getting stooped out to quickly. Place the stop too far away and the bet size will be so small that if the market does trend, it has to move a long way to bring a profit. On each trade, there is an optimal stop distance. Our proprietary methods work to ensure that we are using the best possible size on each trade.



Uncertainty in this year�s markets



We have this year not had the number of large winning trades in a year that we normally do. This is down to several factors, such as the huge trends we had last year in so many markets and the almost unprecedented global uncertainty. We have seen almost all of the central banks printing money, debasing their currencies and providing previously unseen levels of economic stimulus. This has led to a huge debate as to whether we are entering inflationary or deflationary periods and consequently, nobody really knows what is going on and this is reflected in the choppiness of the markets and lack of trends.



We have seen a rally in the stock market that is based on nothing really but wishful thinking and illusion. At some point this is likely to reverse and we may see a major correction in stocks. If we do, this will give us a good opportunity to go short and benefit from the drop in stock prices.



The huge trends of last year have also led to a prolonged period of consolidation, as the markets cannot (and nor do we expect them to) trend all the time. Therefore, this year has seen big consolidations, huge uncertainty, and double the normal volatility. These have all combined to make the markets this year as tough as they can be to trade and is the reason why we are not showing our normal healthy level of profit. The results of this year are due to the markets and not the system. However, this is unlikely to continue for much longer and things should return to a more normal state.



Over time, the markets do not change



Whilst this year has been an exception for reasons outlined above, over time, the markets do not change. Therefore, approaches that have worked in the past will work again.



The markets are essentially run by the physical elements of supply and demand and the psychological elements of greed and fear. Over time, supply and demand dynamics will always influence the markets and the emotions of greed and fear will always influence the market participants. People do not change over time. Human psychology does not change and people trade the same way now as they always did because overall they behave the same way now as they always did. This means that ultimately, the markets will not change, and will revert back to normal and trend following approaches such as ours will work again in the same way that they have for the past several decades.



Because the markets don�t change over time it is very likely that in 50 years time the same principles used by successful traders today will still be used by the best traders in the future.



Those principles on which successful systems are built and that successful traders follow are simply:



1. Trade with the trend

2. Let winners run

3. Cut losses short

4. Manage risk



Any system or trader that follows the above rules will very likely be successful in the long run as this is the approach that works best and will, in my opinion, always be the best approach.



System performance



Going on the backtested results of our system going back to the start of our market database that goes back to 1982, the system has yet to have a losing year and has returned an average in excess of 150%* per year. To run a simulation like this we programme the exact rules of the trading system in to the computer and test it against our market database. Now, whilst there will always be differences in actual trading to simulated results, this gives a good indication of how the system would have performed over that period had we taken all the trades.



In addition to the above, the system has also been traded on our own accounts and has also been available to subscribers for the past few years and the results have been roughly in line with what the computer results suggest. Some years have been above the 150% yearly average and some have been below. This year has so far been an exception due to several factors that include the almost unprecedented state of the global economy and uncertainty in relation to that, as discussed above.



As we have also previously mentioned, our research shows that there is a period of consolidation following on from good trending periods that is roughly proportionate to the length of the preceding trend. Clearly last year there were some exceptionally big trends in most of the markets and that has added to the choppy market conditions that we have seen this year.



Now, as at today it is looking as though we may be heading for a losing year (even though there is still time for the system to recover). This year has been exceptionally tough but the fact remains that the system is based on very sound principles that we know work in the long run. It is very easy during periods such as these to become disheartened and draw the conclusion that our approach no longer works. I personally do not think that is the case due to how vigorous our testing procedure is and the fact that it has been proven to perform over a large sample of data (27 years across all markets is a large sample).



What this all boils down to is that even now, and in spite of the virtually unprecedented market conditions that we have seen this year, the parameters and rules of our trading system still come out the best out of all parameters and system combinations that I have tested when running tests on the markets.



I still do almost constant testing in an attempt to refine and improve our approach but when tested over a long sample of data no improvements have yet been possible. What this means is that even though we can probably tinker with the rules of the system to match them to the market conditions for this year to improve short term performance, if we run those rules over the entire database, performance is considerably worse.



This would also be a curve fitted approach which would essentially be fitting the system to the current market conditions and would also be placing more emphasis on a shorter and less meaningful sample of data than the entire sample that we have available.



To change a system to rely on short term market conditions, which would necessarily be curve fitted to improve short term performance at the expense of long term performance and reliability would in my opinion by very na�ve, and we will not do it.



Our approach still comes out the best in all the testing that we have done when we use a large sample (large samples must always be more reliable in the long run as nearly every thing that can happen in a market is likely to have happened in 27 years). We will continue to trade in exactly the same way as we have been, knowing that in the long run our approach works.



Therefore, we must look at this year as a blip and remember the long term performance of the system. I know that had I been able to trade this system for the entire 27 years (not possible as I had unfortunately not created it back in 1982) that I would be extremely delighted with the performance returns even if they did include 1 losing year. 26 winning years out of 27 is still exceptional by anybody�s standards.



Trend following has a long history of success



It is no accident that the world�s best traders, with very few exceptions, follow a mechanical system in order to beat the markets over time. For the most part, the best mechanical systems are based on trend following since that has proven to be the approach that generates the best returns over time.



Trend following has been around for decades and successful users of this approach range from Richard Donchian, known as the father of trend following, to Richard Dennis, to Ed Seykota, to Bill Dunn and John Henry. The list goes on but the point is that these traders have produced the most amazing stories of success and have accumulated vast fortunes, all using trend following, which is the cornerstone of our trading approach.



Donchain�s trust fund still donates money to charity to this day from the money Donchian�s trading fund generated, even though it is years since he passed away. Richard Dennis turned approximately $400 into $200 million in 18 years and taught a group of traders his same principles and they also made $175 million in 5 years trading Dennis� money. Ed Seykota has produced astounding returns, which include growing 1 account from $5000 to around $15 million in around 12 years. John Henry�s first account was funded with $16000 and over time from trend following he was able to buy the Boston Red Sox for a reported $700 million from his trading profits. If trend following did not work over time, none of these results would have been achieved.



In summary



The only conclusion that one can draw from this is the trend following works over time. This is clearly evidenced by the long list of traders that have used this approach for several decades. It therefore also means that over time this same approach is very likely to continue to work.



As Richard Dennis once said when he was trading public funds that people only want to join him when we he is at equity highs and nobody wants to know when he is at equity lows but the best time to get involved is when the system is at equity lows.



If we follow along with Dennis� logic then as we are at equity lows for this year then now would be as good a time as any to begin, but would also be a bad time to quit.



The markets this year have been exceptional and not the norm by any stretch of the imagination and before long, probably sooner rather than later they will return to a more normal state and trends will return to the markets. When they come it is my sincere hope that as many of our subscribers as possible are in a position to take advantage of them and don�t fall by the wayside by quitting because they have placed too much emphasis on the shorter term performance of the system rather than looking at the longer term results.

*The past is not a necessarily a guide to the future. Future results may be higher or lower than past results.

Locating Markets on IG Index



We have prepared a document which shows where each of the markets we trade on IG Index can be located. This includes the full path to navigate the IG Index platform to the location of each market. This document can be found in the Download section of the member�s area.



Selecting which markets are suitable to trade



Also in the download section of the member�s area is a document on selecting the portfolio of markets to trade. This includes the LS Trader portfolio samples which our research indicates is optimum depending on the account balance. Please also refer to the current month�s volatility guide.



Important note regarding adjusting stops:



We always wait until Monday before moving our stops if possible as stop losses could be triggered in error in the underlying market over the weekend. We always wait until at least 8am on Monday before adjusting stops on our accounts and this is a good discipline to follow wherever possible.



LS Trader Weekly Rules

Opening new trades

The LS Trader system only enters trades when a new signal is given. We never open a trade once the trade is in progress, nor do we add to an existing position. The new trades for each week are opened as soon as possible on the Monday and usually after 8am if possible of each week. In this way it is usually possible to get a similar opening price to the previous Friday�s close. The system uses the closing price on Friday to generate the signals.

When we enter trades on a Monday sometimes the price will be better or worse than the price than we have indicated on the weekly trades sheet. This does happen as the signals are generated from the previous Friday�s close and the market can move in late Sunday/early Monday trading. We have found that over time this pretty much averages itself out.

The 50% rule

If when we go to enter a trade on Monday the price has moved 50% or more from the previous Friday�s close to the stop loss indicted then we would not take the trade unless or until Friday�s close is exceeded again. That means for long trades the price would have to exceed the previous Friday�s close before we initiate a trade or for short trades must go below the previous Friday�s close.

The reason for this as that our research shows that if a 50% or more pull back from the previous Friday�s close to the stop loss occurs that something has changed in the market. Not only that but the price would be too close to the stop loss and the probability of having a successful trade has diminished. The system at this point considers the trade to be too risky and would not enter the trade.

Some markets have different opening times and these can be found in the market information on your spread betting platform or in the dealing handbook.

7 Rules that will make you a Winning Trader

1. Trade with the trend
2. Let winners run
3. Cut losses
4. Money management
5. Always follow the system
6. Ignore the news/fundamentals
7. Never add to losing trades

Rollover instructions

Each market has various contract months, i.e. March, June, September, December etc. These months and expiry dates are not the same for all markets. We indicate on the weekly trades sheet when market is going to rollover in the week ahead.

In most instances we will roll over from one contract month when it expires into the next contract month. This can easily be forgotten so we always set automatic rollovers on all markets so that our positions are automatically rolled over.

If for any reason we are not going to roll over a contract we will send out an email well in advance. Unless we send out an email stating that we will not be rolling over then assume that we will be rolling over the contract. We will rollover contracts about 95% of the time.

Once we have our rollover instructions in place with our spread betting firm, the rollover will happen automatically. They will also automatically change the stop loss so that it is the same distance from the market as it was on the previous contract (plus a little bit of spread). This stop loss applies until the following week�s weekly trades sheet.

Keep an eye on your email box next Sunday trades.

Have a great week.

Kind Regards



Robert Stewart & Phil Seaton

The LS Trader Team
 
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