Something else that is going on and sure to bring added uncertainty. Some time this afternoon, the US Congressional committee is going to announce that talks have broken down regarding the budget ceiling. In august this caused a big sell off, and I don't see it being any different this time. The deadline is wednesday, just before Turkey Day. Gobble, gobble! So you could add to that depressing news a french downgrade from Moodys, bond spreads going stratospheric again. All we need now is for Berlusconi to turn up as the new head of the IMF after the mysterious disappearance of Christine LaGarde, and a flash crash is inevitable.........