Anyone have Aspergers?

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I have been wondering recently if I have aspergers. My missus of five years is convinced that I have it and went online and done the test developed by Simon Baron-Cohen as well as a few others.

I assumed I never had it as I always thought that people with AS came like the 'Rain man' and are unable to hold a conversation whereas I think I am not that bad and am reasonably socially fluent.

Although they are not comparable to clinical diagnoses I reckon that the fact that I exhibit so many of the symptoms and that people have said to me before I have it makes me think this may be the case and it would explain alot about my behaviour and what people are always saying to me.

Does anyone on here have it?- I reckon there will be a few people with AS as trading is likely to attract people with aspergers or something similiar.

Should I bother going to get a diagnosis? I am somewhat curious. I should note my dad has what most people would consider AS but in his day (40s) there wasn't such a term.

Cheers

BK
 
You've come to the right place....LOL.

I've often wondered whether those at various points along the autism spectrum would have unusual skills in the specific area of trading, or perhaps more narrowly, in technical analysis.

While the social disadvantages (if they are such) may be a drawback, I’m not sure it would be such a bad trade-off for being an idiot savant in other areas, where use can be made of one’s abilities. Why not?

While my opening remark was decidedly flippant, you really have picked the wrong place. The majority on here seem to exhibit various degrees of behavioural aberration and those that don’t are probably even more deeply paddled - without possibly realising it.

I have a sense that we all exist somewhere along that spectrum and can, on occasion, be effectively classified as possessing one or more characteristics of these class of conditions.

I shouldn’t worry about it. Unless it’s screamingly obvious, what’s the problem? I wouldn’t pay too much attention to others’ opinions of you – especially your other half. They always have their own agendas whether they realise it or not. If you do stand out from the crowd or are considered to be ‘a little different’, enjoy your special celebrity status. In fact, play on it. There are so few characters in the grey-brown mass of averageness that we need more, not less of them.

On the other hand, if your post is a total wind-up, you are definitely as whacked as the rest of us. There’s no hope for you…
 
You've come to the right place....LOL.

I've often wondered whether those at various points along the autism spectrum would have unusual skills in the specific area of trading, or perhaps more narrowly, in technical analysis.

While the social disadvantages (if they are such) may be a drawback, I’m not sure it would be such a bad trade-off for being an idiot savant in other areas, where use can be made of one’s abilities. Why not?

While my opening remark was decidedly flippant, you really have picked the wrong place. The majority on here seem to exhibit various degrees of behavioural aberration and those that don’t are probably even more deeply paddled - without possibly realising it.

I have a sense that we all exist somewhere along that spectrum and can, on occasion, be effectively classified as possessing one or more characteristics of these class of conditions.

I shouldn’t worry about it. Unless it’s screamingly obvious, what’s the problem? I wouldn’t pay too much attention to others’ opinions of you – especially your other half. They always have their own agendas whether they realise it or not. If you do stand out from the crowd or are considered to be ‘a little different’, enjoy your special celebrity status. In fact, play on it. There are so few characters in the grey-brown mass of averageness that we need more, not less of them.

On the other hand, if your post is a total wind-up, you are definitely as whacked as the rest of us. There’s no hope for you…

Thanks for the reply and nah I'm not taking the p. TBH I'm not that bothered but it would explain alot and it makes me realise a few things about myself that I had not ascribed to a particular cause, but together a pattern of behaviour would seem to suggest that I have AS or something simliar even though I am not extreme and do go out to the pub, etc.

I think you are right about the people on the forum and AS. Obsessions with a particular topic are a sign of AS and lots of successful and intelligent people have it. I also read that another symptom is seeing 'patterns and signs' in things.

Also, for the people that work at home trading, that solitary type of environment is more likely to attract people with AS or an autistic condition than other fields of work.
 
Some famous people with AS.....from site below....

Famous People with Aspergers Syndrome

Science

Albert Einstein provided the theory of relativity and was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for the work he did with photoelectric effect. Characteristics, which may indicate that Einstein was a fellow Aspie: Einstein could not speak fluently at the age of nine (Botham, 2006, p. 16), language delays are common in children with high functioning autism. His parents suspected that he might actually be mentally retarded (Botham, 2006, p. 16).

Often, children with Autism are labeled Mentally Retarded or Behaviorally Disordered. At the ceremony of induction as an American, Einstein attended without socks (Botham, 2006, p. 16). Children and adults with autism and Asperger’s Syndrome often have peculiar habits, extreme sensitivity to textures (Attwood, 2006, p. 3), and are often rated “high” on scales measuring atypicality, demonstrating odd behaviors, and seemingly lost in their own little world (Fattig, 2007). Frequently, children with Asperger’s struggle with finding socks that “feel right” or with a line at the toe that doesn’t not bother them.

Isaac Newton dropped out of school as a teenager (Botham, 2006, p. 15). A person with Asperger’s may not be able to accept rules in school if they appear illogical, pursuing a point or argument “as a matter of principle,” which can lead “to a significant conflict with teachers and school authorities,” (Attwood, 2006, p. 11).

Benjamin Franklin was considered to be one of the most important of the founding fathers of our country. He was a theorist, author, politician, scientist, activist, and diplomat. His scientific contributions included physics, discovery of electricity, and theories regarding electricity (Wikipedia, 2007). He was also the first head of the post office. Indicating the potential need for rigid rule and order, with sorting tendencies. “Benjamin Franklin’s peers did not give him the assignment of writing the Declaration of Independence because they feared that he would conceal a joke in it,” (Botham, 2006, pp. 17-18). Aspies are notorious for an extreme or different sense of humor.



Politics

Napoleon Bonaparte was reportedly afraid of cats, favored mathematicians or physical scientists, and tended to exclude humanists from his inner circle. He believed humanists were troublemakers. He also required his servants to wear his boots, breaking them in for him, before he would wear them (Botham, 2006, p. 17). Napoleon may have exhibited a social deficit, leaning towards others with similar intellectual and personality traits. He may have been preoccupied with perseverative or unfounded fears, with a hypersensitivity to textures on his feet or person.

George Washington, the first president of the United States of America. Aspie signs: George grew marijuana in his own garden (Botham, 2006, p. 2). Many adults with undiagnosed or misdiagnosed Asperger’s Syndrome or Attention Deficit Disorder, self medicate in order to “soothe their restless brains and bodies,” (Richardson, 1998, p. 1). He was extremely terrified of being buried alive, therefore, he dictated that he be “laid out for three days just to be sure he was dead,” (Botham, 2006, p. 2). Perseverative fears and bizarre adherence to seemingly ineffectual rules or rituals are common in people with Asperger’s Syndrome and autism. People on the Aspie team, perceive or think about the world differently than others (Attwood, 2006, p. 2). George reportedly had to borrow money, in order to attend his own inauguration ceremonies (Botham, 2006, p. 2). Difficulties with money management, pack rack tendencies, and/or impulsively giving possessions away are common traits in the Aspie race (Fattig, 2007).

John Quincy Adams, also a president of the country, owned and kept a pet alligator in the East Room of the White House (Botham, 2006, p. 3). Again, atypicality is a common thread for our people (Fattig, 2007). He reportedly took his “last skinny dip in the Potomac on his seventy-ninth birthday,” (Botham, 2006, p. 3). No further comment needed.

Andrew Jackson maintained the belief that the world was flat (Botham, 2006, p. 3), indicating rigid concrete thinking, without the ability to see another’s perspective (Attwood, 2006, p. 2). May be he, too, was on our team?

Andrew Johnson taught himself tailoring, and made his own clothes and clothes for those in his cabinet (Botham, 2006, p. 3). Tailoring may have been a means of self-medicating the “gut wrenching feelings that accompany ADHD,” (Richardson, 1998) and Asperger’s Syndrome. Often, people with Asperger’s, like people with true ADHD, feel nervous or fidgety inside and cope through leg bouncing, gum chewing, crafting, knitting, steepling their fingers, knuckle popping and other behaviors (Garnett & Attwood, 1995).

Abraham Lincoln had a nervous breakdown, and before his election to the presidency in 1860, he lost eight other elections (Botham, 2006, p. 4). Asperger’s is often first misdiagnosed as depression, anxiety, bipolar, or a breakdown and running repeatedly for office may be indicative of perseveration, ritualistic need for routine even when it doesn’t appear to be working, and rigidity (Fattig, 2007). Also, Lincoln’s mother reportedly died after drinking milk from the family cow, after it ate poisonous mushrooms (Botham, 2006, p. 4). Not a sign or characteristic of Asperger’s, but weird nonetheless.

James Garfield was able to write in Latin with one hand, and in Greek with the other hand…at the same time (Botham, 2006, p. 4). Evidence of savant skills?

After being shot, Teddy Roosevelt refused to accept medical assistance, until after completing a speech he was delivering (Botham, 2006, p. 4). Rigidity of rule and routine, with a touch of obsessive-compulsive behaviors? He also wrote 37 books (Botham, 2006, p. 4). Repetitive, stereotypical behaviors with perseverative tendencies perhaps?

William Taft got stuck in his bathtub on the day of his Inauguration, and “had to be pried out by his attendants,” (Botham, 2006, p. 5). Eating disorders are often a part of Asperger’s Syndrome and autism. Hyper reactivity to gustatory, olfactory, or textural can lead to under eating, refusal to eat all but just one or two foods, or malnourishment. Hypo reactivity to gustatory or vestibular, can lead to bored eating, compensatory eating, comfort eating, and obesity. “Unfortunately, professionals as well as concerned family members and friends mistakenly blame parents of children with autism spectrum disorders for their child’s poor eating habits. Sometimes parents’ concerns are ignored and they are told not to worry since most children go through stages of picky eating and food fads,” (Wheeler, 2004, p. 1).

Harry Truman’s middle name remained just an S, because “his parents could not decide between two different names beginning with S,” (Botham, 2006, p. 6). Although not technically associating characteristics to Harry himself, parents of children with Asperger’s frequently exhibit characteristics as well. The core characteristics of Asperger’s Syndrome include limited or restricted social awareness and understanding; difficulty or inability to maintain reciprocity or give and take conversationally; and intense or restricted interest in a subject (Attwood, 2006, p. 2).



Royalty with Asperger’s Characteristics

Louis IV, who was the kind of France, reportedly had a stomach that was twice the size of a normal stomach, and he only bathed one time a year (Botham, 2006, p. 10). Hygiene issues and failure to acknowledge or dress in trendy fashions can be notoriously difficult for people with Asperger’s, especially those with extremely high IQ’s and a hyper reactive olfactory response. Soaps and perfumes can be overwhelming to their olfactory system.

“Catherine the Great relaxed by being tickled,” (Botham, 2006, p. 10) which could be a result of the characteristic sensation seeking of light to moderate touch, of those Apies with Hypo reactivity to touch or proprioceptive feedback.

Reportedly, Cleopatra and other female Egyptian rulers wore a fake beard (Botham, 2006, p. 11). In our brains, neurons are the transmitters for perception, thoughts, feelings, and emotions. Research has demonstrated “massive neurological effects” hormones can have on females during the different stages of life and maturation (Brizendine, 2006, p. 3).

Females are considered to be superior in empathy skills and males are traditionally found to be superior systemizers. If a woman with autism is better at systemizing, with extreme attention to detail, and less compelled to demonstrate typically ‘female characteristics’ in relationships (e.g., valuing altruistic, reciprocal relationships, cooperative engagement, strong friendship bonds, nurturing, and smoothing or resisting conflict); but rather favors task specific activities, aggression, solitary activities, or other “male characteristic” behaviors, (Baron-Cohen, 2002, p. 2), she may become ostracized, envied, or socially isolated. This emotional “maleness” may lead to relational conflicts and a lack of intimate relationships, gender confusion, wanting to dress like the opposite sex, or become the opposite sex.

Peter the Great reportedly killed his wife’s lover, and then “forced her to keep her lover’s head in a jar of alcohol in her bedroom,” (Botham, 2006, p. 11). Excessive and unpredictable moods, irrational outbursts, or tantrums are not uncommon in people on the spectrum.

Wilhem II reportedly had a withered arm, that he often hid by posing with it resting on a sword or holding a glove (Botham, 2006, p. 11). People with Asperger’s become masters of masking our differences.

Alexander the Great experienced seizure disorder (Botham, 2006, p. 11). Seizure disorder is present in a percentage of people with autism.



Artists

Leonardo da Vinci took twelve years to paint the Mona Lisa’ lips, and could write with one hand while drawing with the other (Botham, 2006, p. 13). Perfectionistic tendencies, with moderate cross over discrimination deficits, and savant skills?

Vincent van Gogh committed suicide (Botham, 2006, p. 14). Depression sometimes accompanies people with Asperger’s and in extreme cases can lead to thoughts, talk of, or suicide attempts (Attwood, 2006, p. 15).

Composers/Musicians

Beethoven was such a poor music student, that his music teachers decided he was hopeless as a composer and each time he sat to write music, he reportedly “poured ice water over his head,” (Botham, 2006, p. 30), indicating the potential inability to “show” what he could do and a potential preoccupation of sensory experiences (Attwood, 2006, p. 4), or need for unproductive idiosyncratic routine.

Elvis was a notorious over eater, failed his music class in school, never ever gave an encore, and had ten distinctly different drugs in his body when he died (Botham, 2006, p. 34). He may have been compulsive with food/sensory perseverations, school failures, rigid need for routine and control, and self-medicating?



Philosophy

Jeremy Bentham left his estate to a London Hospital, so long as they allowed his body to continue to preside over board meetings. “His skeleton was clothed and fitted with a wax mask of his face. It was present at the meeting for ninety-two years and can still be viewed there,” (Botham, 2006, p. 15). People with Asperger’s can maintain vivid or complex imaginary worlds, often with imaginary friends (Attwood, 2006, p. 15).

Socrates committed suicide (Botham, 2006, p. 16), indicating potential depression stemming from difficulties with understanding social conventions, a development of “compensatory thoughts and attitudes for feeling alienated, socially isolated and not understood,” (Attwood, 2006, p. 14). The suicide rate in people with Asperger’s is higher than that of the neurotypical population.



Inventors

Henry Ford reportedly believed history to be bunk, and he firmly believed in reincarnation (Botham, 2006, p. 18). Concrete thinker without the ability to understand or tolerate another perspective, rigid belief system?

Bill Gates has long been suspected of demonstrated Aspie traits, and where would we be without his contributions? His first business, Traff-O-Data, involved the creation of a machine recording the number of cars passing a point on a road (Botham, 2006, p. 18).



Actors

Robin Williams was voted least likely to succeed in high school (Botham, 2006, p. 27). People with Asperger’s are noted to have “an unusual prosody” affecting tone, rhythm, pitch, and speed of speech. And egocentric preoccupation dominates their thoughts, and they often need more assistance in self-help skills and organization (Attwood, 2006, p. 3). Kindergarten through 12th grade is particularly difficult for our team, and we often can not “show” who we are or what we can do, until post high school education.

Tom Hanks is reportedly related to Abraham Lincoln (Botham, 2006, p. 22), and genetic ties are strong in our people (see above regarding Abe Lincoln).

Marilyn Monroe had a history of emotional instability, depression, and suicide.

Clark Gable used to take more than four showers a day (Botham, 2006, p. 26), indicating potential obsessive-compulsive characteristics, frequent in the Aspie population.

“Every episode of Seinfeld contains a Superman reference somewhere,” (Botham, 2006, p. 40). I will say no more.



Writers

Author, Virginia Woolf, would only write her books when standing (Botham, 2006, p. 59), and she suffered from depression, social isolation, and eccentricities.

Shakespeare reportedly spelled his own name in several different ways (Botham, 2006, p. 60). Hans Christian Anderson was word blind and he never learned to spell correctly (Botham, 2006, p. 61). Written language difficulties often accompany Asperger’s Syndrome and ADD/ADHD.

Goethe reportedly hated the sound of barking dogs (Botham, 2006, p. 60), which could indicate hyperactivity to sound or noises; and he “could only write if he had an apple rotting in the desk drawer,” (Botham, 2006, p. 60).

Isaac Asimov has a book included in each Dewey decimal category (Botham, 2006, p. 61), which could indicate compulsivity or perseverative need for control or ritual.

The novel, Gatsby, written by Ernest Vincent Wright, has a word count of fifty thousand with no word containing the letter e (Botham, 2006, p. 60). Phobic?

Charles Dickinson dropped out of school and suffered from insomnia. He believed that if his bed was facing north, and he was in the center, he might be able to sleep (Botham, 2006, p. 61). Difficulty falling asleep, staying asleep, nightmares or night terrors, is common in people with Asperger’s. Creating odd rituals and routines as a coping mechanism is also frequent in our people.

Without Asperger’s, Where would we be?

Many children, who are diagnosed at a very young age with Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), may in fact have Asperger’s Syndrome (Brunett & Williams, 2005). Asperger’s Syndrome is typically characterized by average to above average intelligence, poor social communication, poor social skills, lack of eye contact, rigid need for rules and routine, anxiety and/or depression, pedantic speech, sensory processing difficulty, and perseverative thought processes. Persons with high functioning autism or Asperger’s tend to rely heavily on rigid internal rules and struggle with the unwritten social rules of social interaction. Failure accompanies a student with AS, like a close companion, and we may need much reassurance during stressful periods.

A psychologist, and friend, stated, “You have to remind them that for every criticism, it can take upwards of hundreds of complimentary comments to undo the extreme embarrassment or humiliation,” (Caton, 2007).
 
A mate of mine had Asparagus syndrome.

It's like Aspergers, but you're a vegetable.
 
It is extremely common for people who use the internet too much to self diagnose themselves as having Aspergers, to the extent that probably 9 out of 10 that claim they do have it don't... certainly anyone claiming Socrates had Asperger's is a moron - you can't do a medical diagnosis like that.

I have some autistic traits but certainly not asperger's...
 
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It is extremely common for people who use the internet too much to self diagnose themselves as having Aspergers, to the extent that probably 9 out of 10 that claim they do have it don't... certainly anyone claiming Socrates had Asperger's is a moron - you can't do a medical diagnosis like that.

I have some autistic traits but certainly not asperger's...

Socrates didnt "commit suicide", he was driven to it, by being given hemlock to drink by the good people of his city, for corrupting the youth. He no more commited suicide than JFK had a tendency to catch bullets with his head.
(historical misreading?)

You cant have a "history" of suicide, as per Marilyn Monroe. You can have a history of suicide attempts. But a suicide, a genuine one, tends to be a one-off.

Van Gogh may have comitted suicide simply because he didnt sell a single painting in his life, or very few. He was very poor. These issues could have been the cause of his depression, leading to suicide.

Its easy, as per AN, to decide you have a particular syndrome, and attribute ADHD to normal characteristics.

Is pedantry, and attention to detail an Aspergers trait? :cheesy:
 
It is extremely common for people who use the internet too much to self diagnose themselves as having Aspergers, to the extent that probably 9 out of 10 that claim they do have it don't... certainly anyone claiming Socrates had Asperger's is a moron - you can't do a medical diagnosis like that.

I have some autistic traits but certainly not asperger's...

Exactly. I bet there are men out there who are now convinced they have Aspergers and that they are pregnant as well.
 
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