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I have bought 30 books on trading over the last 10 years.The information I got from these books is no better than information freely available on the net.Unfortunately books are written by people who make a living from writing books, they do not make a living from trading.

95% traders lose and these authors are 95% of the club

None of the thirty books clearly explains the way to profitability.They write theories on how to make money, if only these authors knew how to , they do not know how to make money from trading.Their theories do not work.

What is your view?

My favourite and most useful book is "Trading currency cross rates "

Most of the other books were written by useless traders , and I learnt nothing from them.
 
Hello,
I was wondering if you had a list of these books, and possibly willing to sell any of them ?
 
Hi

I have bought 30 books on trading over the last 10 years.The information I got from these books is no better than information freely available on the net.Unfortunately books are written by people who make a living from writing books, they do not make a living from trading.

95% traders lose and these authors are 95% of the club

None of the thirty books clearly explains the way to profitability.They write theories on how to make money, if only these authors knew how to , they do not know how to make money from trading.Their theories do not work.

What is your view?

My favourite and most useful book is "Trading currency cross rates "

Most of the other books were written by useless traders , and I learnt nothing from them.

I would say the old adage: "take the best and leave the rest." Most of the trading books I've bought and/or read through the years have a good kernel of trading concepts at their very core, but the rest of the book is fluff. I like to read books with interesting concepts associated with trading, i.e. trend following, options pricing, swing trading, technical analysis, etc., but not necessarily trading techniques. No great trader out there is going to reveal their techniques, but the challenge is to extract the concepts that drive their techniques.

Here's a case in point: A couple years back, I read the book Trend Following, by Covel. As far as learning trading techniques, the book offers very little. The book, however, is very good at conveying the concepts of trend following, which helped me develop some of my own techniques.

Most books, like I said before, are basically 5-10% good conceptual stuff, and the rest is just fluff. It seems as though the usual cliches are used to illustrate common market wisdom, i.e. "let the trend be your friend," "don't let a gain turn into a loss," "never meet a margin call", "always use stops," etc etc and etc. Again: take the best and leave the rest.

It is true, however, that just about all the concepts that we've read in books through the years can be found for free online. There are so many resources out there that there really is no reason to spend on books etc., unless written by an author that you really like (which is mainly the reason I will buy a book).
 
Hi

I have bought 30 books on trading over the last 10 years.The information I got from these books is no better than information freely available on the net.Unfortunately books are written by people who make a living from writing books, they do not make a living from trading.

95% traders lose and these authors are 95% of the club

None of the thirty books clearly explains the way to profitability.They write theories on how to make money, if only these authors knew how to , they do not know how to make money from trading.Their theories do not work.

What is your view?

My favourite and most useful book is "Trading currency cross rates "

Most of the other books were written by useless traders , and I learnt nothing from them.

I submit there's a great variability in the standard of trading books and their usefulness - that's not confined to the trading subject though. IMHO they are just part of the learning / acquiring knowledge process and until you become reasonably knowledgeable and have established that you can successfully trade, then it's very difficult to make an assessment. Couple this with all the trading styles / markets (perhaps only one or a few fit your personality) and the hundreds of books out there and you can see the problem.

There are always the standard recommendations - but what if the people who recommend books have long-forgotten what it was like starting out? I found that you just have to get stuck in to all the knowledge you can lay your hands on, and as you go on and listen to various people and authors you begin to get a sense of what it's all about. Once you start putting some of it in to practice you will tend to learn more quickly - your wallet will help you in this!

My view on a book is: if I get just one idea or it leads me down a new avenue of exploration then it's worth it. But you've got to put in the work (as in any arena) in order to get to the stage where you can make your own assessment of how it could apply (or not) to you.

I'm sure there are many trading authors who are better at writing than trading but if you take this view to its limit then you might assume that there are no decent textbooks out there at all. GBS's "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." may have some resonance but it's by no means a universal law.

I've read dozens of trading books over the years and disposed of most of them. I found they were useful in four categories and basically in this order - though there is always an amount of crossover:
(1) the technical books - eg how to buy a share, how to read a chart, what is S/R
(2) the management books - eg Risk, position sizing, drawdown etc
(3) the "war stories" - Wizards, Livermores, Leesons etc.
(4) the "psychology" books - ie how to manage oneself to get the best out of your system.

I'm wary of recommending a best or most useful book because my tastes and expertise have changed over the years (I used to like "Noddy" books years ago but find "Big Ears" a bit underwhelming these days). I think if you don't understand a book and you can't logically discuss with yourself its pros and cons then its best to put it on one side for later (possibly because you've reached the limit of your current brainpower or knowledge) - it's surprising what a re-read 6 months later can achieve.

Having said the above, a current favourite is Mike Elvin's [think he wrote a T2W article] "Financial Risk Taking - An Intro to to the Psychology of Trading and behavioural Finance". You don't have to have this book to trade successfully but it is really interesting and wide-ranging, and I suspect that a lot of such knowledge builds up in the sub-conscious and makes things work better.

What I have found is that an awful lot of info that used to be book-only is now on the web & that can save you lots of time and dosh. But be careful - crap is still crap whether it's a fancy electronic manifestation or an authoritative (expensive?) book or a system seller / Guru - you have to be the judge.
 
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Reading books is probably about find 1 out 10 useful books.Out of 30 books I probably liked 3 books

1)Trading currency cross rates by Gary Klop.......
2)High probability trading by Marcel link
3)Trade your way to financial freedom by Van K Tharp
Others I read but not too impressed
4)Logical Trader by Mark B fisher
5)Day Trade futures online by Larry Williams
6)Fundamentals of trading Energy futures and options
7)Trading in oil futures and options
8)Technical anylysis explained by Martin J pring
9)Study guide for come into my trading room by Elder
10)7 chart patterns Ed Gowns - good book
11)Japanese candlestick charting by Nison -good book
12)Technical anylysis by pring
13)First time investor Debbie Harrison
14)Mastering foreign exchange markets by Paul Roth - rubbish
15)Trading in the Zone - Mark Douglas
16)Come into my trading room by Elder
17)Reminiscense of a stock operator by Edwin Lefevre- The bucketshop owners favourite
18)Option Volatility and pricing by Natenberg
19)How I trade options by Najarian
20)Practical Speculation by KennerTechnical Anylysis of the financial markets John J Murphy
21)Buffetology
22)Strategies for the electronic futures trader
23)Stock index futures options -rubbis book by Susan Abbot
24)Trading index options
25) Technical ANYLYSIS PLAIN AND SIMPLE kAHN
26)The options workbook by Saliba
27)Trading in the cuckoos's nest by Jack Nicholson
 
Ever get the feeling that some authors know a lot more than they are telling ?
They really don't want to make public their latest brainwave !! Well would you ?
Tell the world and it raises the bar that bit higher
 
Ever get the feeling that some authors know a lot more than they are telling ?
They really don't want to make public their latest brainwave !! Well would you ?
Tell the world and it raises the bar that bit higher

How come you figure me out? and why are you not posting your method?:confused:
 
Ever get the feeling that some authors know a lot more than they are telling ?
They really don't want to make public their latest brainwave !! Well would you ?
Tell the world and it raises the bar that bit higher


You could say the same about Bernie Maddoff.He keeping his mouth shut.Hank Paulson keeping his mouth shut after saving Goldman.

Lewis of Bank of America needs to be shut up quote Hank Paulson.

Bush shutting up after presidency and retiring.He knows more, about a lot more about his dad
 
Reading books is probably about find 1 out 10 useful books.Out of 30 books I probably liked 3 books

1)Trading currency cross rates by Gary Klop.......
2)High probability trading by Marcel link
3)Trade your way to financial freedom by Van K Tharp

Can't speak of (1) - currency is beyond my brain power :(

(2) & (3) - still have a place on my trading shelves. Van Tharp seems to often pick up a bad press but this was one of the first "common sense" books that I came across. Didn't induce me to spend $$$$$$$ on his seminars but for £18 I think you get a lot of bang for your buck. Link is also good for basic home truths. Both these books can help you get started with some sort of strategy - you just have to progress from there.

I find the most useless books are those that "expose the secrets of trading" via broad unarguable statements like "buy low - sell high" or "cut losses and let profits run" - all good stuff but most people can work that out for themselves: what they need is help with technique in the first instance. Very few books emphasise the need for simplicity.
 
I think one of the best book is "Technical Analysis of the Financial Markets" of John Murphy. I think there is an PDF version floating around over the internet. You might want to google the name of the book and PDF.
 
The type of book I would benefited from reading would be a modern day version "reminiscences of a stock operator".This book is no good to my trading today , it is history.Livermore was just a gambler with poor money management strategy.This is what makes these books useless .

A useful Book would tell me about modern day bucketshops and how they operate,with chapters on good money management , trading strategies , a little bit of technical anylysis and a betting system to beat the trading casino(I already have a trader's progressive betting system which works and has been tested ).

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/forex-brokers/75944-dealing-desk-brokers-avoid-them.html

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/metatrader/74696-metatrader-bucket-shops.html
 
The type of book I would benefited from reading would be a modern day version "reminiscences of a stock operator".This book is no good to my trading today , it is history.Livermore was just a gambler with poor money management strategy.This is what makes these books useless .

A useful Book would tell me about modern day bucketshops and how they operate,with chapters on good money management , trading strategies , a little bit of technical anylysis and a betting system to beat the trading casino(I already have a trader's progressive betting system which works and has been tested ).

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/forex-brokers/75944-dealing-desk-brokers-avoid-them.html

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/metatrader/74696-metatrader-bucket-shops.html

If you really found that book useless then I doubt theres any book you could learn anything from.
 
Hi

I have bought 30 books on trading over the last 10 years.The information I got from these books is no better than information freely available on the net.Unfortunately books are written by people who make a living from writing books, they do not make a living from trading.

95% traders lose and these authors are 95% of the club

None of the thirty books clearly explains the way to profitability.They write theories on how to make money, if only these authors knew how to , they do not know how to make money from trading.Their theories do not work.

What is your view?

My favourite and most useful book is "Trading currency cross rates "

Most of the other books were written by useless traders , and I learnt nothing from them.

A person I know once said: "It's better to have a few good books and read them a lot, than read a lot of dubious books"
 
Hello,
I was wondering if you had a list of these books, and possibly willing to sell any of them ?


You will probably get the mob of T2W after me on charges of advertising my books.I would rather you buy them on from a bookseller.
 
The type of book I would benefited from reading would be a modern day version "reminiscences of a stock operator".This book is no good to my trading today , it is history.Livermore was just a gambler with poor money management strategy.This is what makes these books useless .

Everyone raves about this book. :devilish:
 
Everyone raves about this book. :devilish:

I bought it cause of all the raving followers

The book I found very useful had the following review

Good book for a feel on cross-rates. Unfortunately written before the advent of the EURO, therefore partially osolete nowadays.

The reviewers must be thick not to realise a gem.
 
total bull**** that people who write books cant trade, some people do actually just enjoy teaching and passing on wisdom..not everything is motivated purely by there own profits.

take goerge soros, he dont need to sell books does he lol
 
total bull**** that people who write books cant trade, some people do actually just enjoy teaching and passing on wisdom..not everything is motivated purely by there own profits.

take goerge soros, he dont need to sell books does he lol

You pick one out how many writers ?.Go give me a reasonable argument for a change.

Several thousand books on trading and one success.Is this a reasonable comparison?

What kind of reasoning do you use for your trading?.

Go lick a lollipop.I will buy it for u

O D T
 
im using him as an example of people who like to pass on wisdom, not for financial gain. you clearly cant understand this concept because your a moron.

you only believe people write books for financial gain?
 
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