Why do we bother with the NFP job report each month?

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Black Swan

It is now such a politicised piece of junk it's worthless (other than as a blip in the markets to take a punt on) and an insult to our collective intelligence. Less than a week after the latest figures the rowing back starts;

Initial Claims Surge To 445K, On Expectations Of 410K, Not Adjusted Claims Surge By 191,686 To 770,413 In One Week

So much for that amazing beat in the last 2010 number in initial claims, which is now proven to have been purely a figment of the BLS' imagination and a whole load of guesstimations. Today's initial claims number throws cold water to all those who expected the trend in claims to be improving. At 445K, this was a huge miss to expectations of 410K, and a major deterioration from last week's (upwardly revised of course) 410K (was 409K before). Elsewhere, continuing claims came at 3,879K on expectations of 4,088K (with the previous naturally revised higher as well from 4,103K to 4,127K). And the kicker: in NSA terms initial claims were a mammoth 770,413, a 191,686 increase in just one week, and the highest NSA number in one year! The result: the spread between SA (3.1%) and NSA (3.8%) unemployment rate jumps to year highs. Of course, the BLS blames the huge disappointment on "paperwork delays", yet blamed nobody for the amazing beats in the end of 2010 which brought the market to a complete frenzy.

Lastly, completing the trifecta of bad data, those on various forms of extended claims jumped by 130K, confirming that we are nowehere close to dealing with the "99 week completion" cliff issue, as ever more people roll off continuing claims

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/in...-adjusted-claims-surge-191686-770413-one-week

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The dollar was broadly lower against other currencies Thursday after the weak U.S. jobs report. The Labor Department said the number of people seeking unemployment benefits rose by 35,000 to a seasonally adjusted 445,000 last week, the highest level since late October.

The report was a "setback for the labor market," said HSBC Securities economist Ryan Wang. Jobless aid applications had fallen to a two-year low over the winter holidays, suggesting that employers were laying off fewer workers and hiring more. Still, many other economists said data from early January tended to be choppy and did not necessarily indicate that the jobs market was worsening.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-13/europe-bond-sales-weak-us-jobs-report-hurt-dollar.html
 
It's good for business, ie lots of commissions and 10,001 reports being written all with a goal of getting business.

Same with 1/4 company reports, it's all about generating business. Remember, when Americans are involved it's always about the money at the end of the day.
 
Er no *it* isn't, it's essential reading, but not in the convential/obvious sense which is why so many struggle with it.
Hahaha, you make me laugh, dude... ZH publishes complete and utter drivel that's full of factual errors. The fact they show nice BBG screenshots doesn't mean they actually know what they're talking about.

Saying that ZH is essential reading is like saying that "News of the World" is essential reading or that "The Only Way is Essex" is essential TV. Erm, wait, sorry, I didn't mean to say "TOWIE" isn't essential, 'cause it sure as hell is :).

Anyways, the quality of information you get from ZH is about the same as what you get from "News of the World" or the "OK!" magazine, I'd say.
 
Hahaha, you make me laugh, dude... ZH publishes complete and utter drivel that's full of factual errors. The fact they show nice BBG screenshots doesn't mean they actually know what they're talking about.

Saying that ZH is essential reading is like saying that "News of the World" is essential reading or that "The Only Way is Essex" is essential TV. Erm, wait, sorry, I didn't mean to say "TOWIE" isn't essential, 'cause it sure as hell is :).

Anyways, the quality of information you get from ZH is about the same as what you get from "News of the World" or the "OK!" magazine, I'd say.

I'll take anti-establishment, energetic semi-pro journalism over Reuters and or Bloomberg anyday. ZH isn't serious, it shouldn't be taken too seriously, but 'tis an 'ickle interweb gem IMHO. Market ticker, market oracle all good fun..Anyways, what's wrong with big screenshots, they always fool me. ;)

Never watched the Essex thing, any good?
 
er.... the point is, BS, it's a pile of conspiracy minded crap. Nothing wrong with anti-establishment, lateral thinking, strange viewpoints or whatever... but distorting the facts to fit yer insane viewpoint is.

And fwiw the guy who runs it does so cause he is banned from trading for security fraud!
 
er.... the point is, BS, it's a pile of conspiracy minded crap. Nothing wrong with anti-establishment, lateral thinking, strange viewpoints or whatever... but distorting the facts to fit yer insane viewpoint is.

And fwiw the guy who runs it does so cause he is banned from trading for security fraud!

Examples of how he distorts facts to fit story? What in a journal, online? Fook all my illusions shattered there Dave, you'll be telling me that a disgraced former News of the World editor has got the job as the PR man for the lastest British government? LOL like that'd ever happen..:rolleyes:

It's all fookin propoganda, everything we read that passes as news is polluted from one direction or another and so much of it emenates from press releases and pr agencies. Huxley, Orwell..we're there..
 
That's very post modern of you but just gbecause all sources are biased to one extent or another doesn't mean they all have the same worth
 
That's very post modern of you but just gbecause all sources are biased to one extent or another doesn't mean they all have the same worth

The *worth* of Market Ticker, Market Oracle, the various blogs and newsletters attached, and the likes are ZH, are revealed by them being a few of the destinations on the interweb that confidently predicted the meltdown of 2007-2008. They and others were, as far back as 2006 in some cases, the sites that openly heralded the banking system was past liquidity crises and solvency was in fact the key issue. No problem, just have tarp/s, rescues, not too secret bailouts, in the UK Q.E. of 500bl and the buying of our largest banks and it's all back on track..job done eh? Wall street sorted, Main street cratered...

Back on thread, and in relation to NFP and the jobs misdirection, the unemployment situation in the USA is dire, close on 13mil jobs lost since 2008, yet so much talk from the MSM is off a "job less recovery", what's one of them then Dave, the wealthy elite ring fence their assets, pull up the drawbridge and pour hot oil on us, the untermensch, in the form of increased direct, indirect and hidden taxation to socialise the losses (their losses) for decades to come?

Anyhow, as you were...
 
So that stuff wasn't reported anywhere else... without the foil hat?
Roubini still hasn't f*cking shut up.
 
ZeroHedge isn't one person as evidenced by the writing styles and he fact you get Bloomberg charts one post, and ridiculous 1M FX charts from another platform the next.
There is an awful lot of bollox on ZH, but there is some genuine insight as well.

The hillbilly ammo 'n' apocalypse crowd are too much lately though.

To reply to the topic; anything to do with US employment is farcical, NFP is just chief among them.
 
ZeroHedge isn't one person as evidenced by the writing styles and he fact you get Bloomberg charts one post, and ridiculous 1M FX charts from another platform the next.
There is an awful lot of bollox on ZH, but there is some genuine insight as well.

The hillbilly ammo 'n' apocalypse crowd are too much lately though.

To reply to the topic; anything to do with US employment is farcical, NFP is just chief among them.

Yep, there is genuine insight, but no one reads the comments section do they? It'd be like reading a thread to conclusion on here before it self implodes...:D

We should enact a version of Godwin's law for T2W though, for example; see how long before "Livermore" is mentioned in a thread, or the argument between TA and FA comes up, or the old chestnut that SB firms have been robbing the coins out the eyes of the dead since Victorian times. Perhaps keep it simple and claim "Livermore law" when the original point gets hijacked and veers off the rails and onto a different tangent/planet..? :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
 
Speaking of which 0.1% rise in CPI and USD correlated trades hit full reverse. Nice.

Godwin's Law :D I'd forgot about that.
 
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Well, I can only speak from personal experience... Every single time I read a news item written by ZH, it's sensationalist, trivializing, baseless or, worse yet, based on demonstrably erroneous "evidence". I have yet to see an item of "news" from ZH that actually made any sense upon examination. For example, the item you quoted is complete nonsense yet again, because it totally and utterly disregards how seasonal adjustments are performed. It's idiotic, honestly. Hence, my opinion, which is just that.

As to 'The Only Way is Essex', it IS essential TV... Here you go:
 
For example, the item you quoted is complete nonsense yet again, because it totally and utterly disregards how seasonal adjustments are performed. It's idiotic, honestly. Hence, my opinion, which is just that.

'Kin ell bud, ZH is top stuff IMHO. CBA to get into it now fer fook's sake, but it's helped me grab a few pips when I'm scalping for fun. It's not rocket science is it ;).
 
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