Which DMA Choice for UK LSE Perhaps NOT Interactive Brokers or iDealing

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There seems to be a few direct market access platforms for those dealing CFD's and Spread betting in the UK but only Interactive Brokers and iDealing seem to cover normal equity trading

I have looked at them both and concluded:

Interactive Brokers;

1. Expensive to set up with a large deposit of $10,000.00 Not a problem if the platform is fantastic but if you don’t like it you have to mess about getting your $10k back.
2. Despite being supposedly UK based it would seem that it is difficult to trade in anything else but US $'s. I don’t want or need a margin account so have to fund and withdraw in US dollars to/ from a cash account.
3. It is fundamentally a US company hiding behind a link to it through a website .co.uk address.
4. Both depositing and more importantly withdrawal of funds is a lengthy and complex process, more form filling, posting and waiting and all in US $'s again.
5. They seem to offer only LSE Level I+ Is this the same as Level II

iDealing;

1. They charge £60 to close account, so in effect they are charging £60 to see if you like their platform, if not you loose £60 from your, (more reasonable and GP pounds), £1000 deposit needed to open account.
2. They have absolutely no contact phone number on their web site. I have never seen any modern business omit a contact number. Is their service so bad that they need to put up such a barrier between themselves and the public? I sent an email asking about this and the reply was that I would be given a traders number after I had opened the account (yes after I had spent my £60) and it was a trader not a customer service number. The email I sent took over 10 hours to be answered. Not promising.
3. If you want to withdraw your own hard earned money from their account you need to download and fill in a form, then post it back to them, then wait. On one hand they say they will not send tax certificates by post for security reasons, and then they expect you to use the same postal system for the secure delivery request of your own money and the secure delivery of your cheque from them.


Both these companies use cutting edge technology for providing up to date price info, so why is it they like to sit on your money for so long when trying to withdraw. They must have heard of internet banking, and using the "security" excuse just doesn’t wash.

So Ladies and Gentlemen of the Equities investments world, am I wrong, has my research been incorrect? Are there any other companies out there that offer Level II Direct Market access for placing my trades onto the order book of the LSE?

Pleas let me know of your experiences. And any advice you may have.

Many thanks

honestsid.
 
I dont know about the other company but some of your points regarding IB are not valid.

There are many third party front ends for IB's Trader WorkStation, so if you dont like the look and feel of TWS you can probably find something you do like.

If (during signup) you select your base currency as GBP and only trade GBP instruments, you will only ever have GBPs in your account. Deposits and withdrawals will all be GBP, to IB's UK bank account, not somewhere in the US.

Account opening can take a few days but depositing and withdrawing money normally takes only a day or two at most. I normally send money by CHAPS which takes less than a day, and IB allow one free wire withdrawal a month (after that there is a small charge), this wire normally takes a day to reach your bank account. And its all electronic, no paper forms.
 
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Thanks donaldduke,

I was unaware of the base currency sign up, and not through lack of research, I must have spent at least 6 to 8 hours surfing and reading the IB website over the last week, I must be suffering from information overload. I did choose GPB as my base currency but reading through the informative but complex web info I was still unaware.

I can’t see the wood for the trees; I better not invest in commodities eh! LoL

I believe that CHAPS costs me about £25 to use, and apart from speed of CHAPS, that is same day transfer, I can’t understand why a normal internet transfer can’t be used by these brokers. Many of my customers pay me by internet banking and I pay many of my bills in the same way. It is interesting that IB discourage more than one transfer a month by charging, agreed there are costs involved because they use the more expensive methods of transferring, but it also means they get to use our money for an extra month!

I am currently working up to the "big time" I am not dealing in £10,000's of pounds. All dealing costs must be taken into consideration if any profit is to be made and this newbie doesn’t, like many beginners, drop out believing this way of earning a living is only for large investors.

I presume that the third party front ends are at additional costs, do you have any recommendations at the lower end of the cost scale. I need to find my feet before launching into more complex and more expensive options.

This is the sort of feedback I need, thanks for your time.
 
I can’t understand why a normal internet transfer can’t be used by these brokers.
Normal (free) bacs transfer can be used to send to IB, takes about 3 days. Couple of clicks if you have internet banking.

I presume that the third party front ends are at additional costs, do you have any recommendations at the lower end of the cost scale. I need to find my feet before launching into more complex and more expensive options.
ButtonTrader is a superb front end in my view, and can be sim tested on a real IB account free.
 
There seems to be a few direct market access platforms for those dealing CFD's and Spread betting in the UK but only Interactive Brokers and iDealing seem to cover normal equity trading

I have looked at them both and concluded:

Interactive Brokers;

1. Expensive to set up with a large deposit of $10,000.00 Not a problem if the platform is fantastic but if you don’t like it you have to mess about getting your $10k back.
2. Despite being supposedly UK based it would seem that it is difficult to trade in anything else but US $'s. I don’t want or need a margin account so have to fund and withdraw in US dollars to/ from a cash account.
3. It is fundamentally a US company hiding behind a link to it through a website .co.uk address.
4. Both depositing and more importantly withdrawal of funds is a lengthy and complex process, more form filling, posting and waiting and all in US $'s again.
5. They seem to offer only LSE Level I+ Is this the same as Level II

iDealing;

1. They charge £60 to close account, so in effect they are charging £60 to see if you like their platform, if not you loose £60 from your, (more reasonable and GP pounds), £1000 deposit needed to open account.
2. They have absolutely no contact phone number on their web site. I have never seen any modern business omit a contact number. Is their service so bad that they need to put up such a barrier between themselves and the public? I sent an email asking about this and the reply was that I would be given a traders number after I had opened the account (yes after I had spent my £60) and it was a trader not a customer service number. The email I sent took over 10 hours to be answered. Not promising.
3. If you want to withdraw your own hard earned money from their account you need to download and fill in a form, then post it back to them, then wait. On one hand they say they will not send tax certificates by post for security reasons, and then they expect you to use the same postal system for the secure delivery request of your own money and the secure delivery of your cheque from them.


Both these companies use cutting edge technology for providing up to date price info, so why is it they like to sit on your money for so long when trying to withdraw. They must have heard of internet banking, and using the "security" excuse just doesn’t wash.

So Ladies and Gentlemen of the Equities investments world, am I wrong, has my research been incorrect? Are there any other companies out there that offer Level II Direct Market access for placing my trades onto the order book of the LSE?

Pleas let me know of your experiences. And any advice you may have.

Many thanks

honestsid.

We charge for more than 1 withdrawal per month because we wish to discourage people from using us like a bank to pay their small bills. We were finding people making multiple withdrawals for 100, 200, 500 GBP (or USD, EUR, AUD, CAD, CHF, etc). We are not a bank and are not set up for optimal efficiency in the banking payment universe. We are brokers and our resources are focussed on delivering fast, optimal solutions for trading.

Level 1+ is bid-ask-last PLUS sizes.. LSE has an unusual level 1 that is price only without showing the sizes of the bid and ask. 1-plus also includes sizes for the top of book. Level 2 shows market depth.

BTW, we are not 'hiding' behind a web url. We are a registered FSA introducing broker, providing client introduction for UK and EU residents. Regulations require an EU registration.

We support trading in 60+ exchanges and 11 currencies. Stocks, options, futures, warrants, forex, bonds, mutual funds ... all using the same principals of direct market access. You can trade LSE stocks as easily as any other country in our portfolio of offerings.

I hope this helps.
 
Well, I have signed up with IB and am currently checking it all out. So far ... about 12 days ... I have learnt a lot, mostly positive, but also some grumbles ... I will get back to you when I have had more time to "smooth the average”.

Button trader looks very interesting and I am looking into VectorVest as charting / analysis software. Any one using VectorVest?

Thanks


Sid
 
Does anyone know which symbol on IB best represents the FTSE 100? I'm trying to track the Capital Spreads FTSE 100 Rolling Daily. Is UKX (mini FTSE 100 Index) the best?

Thanks
 
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