The smaller the time frame the more random it becomes.
With respect, I would have to disagree with this Steve. I'm not a believer in "noise". There is, imho, meaningful price action on every timeframe; order in every fractal, if you like.
A particular timeframe is, after all, just a way of slicing an abstract, fluid and non-linear progression into even blocks of a certain size. (Volume charts do the same from a different angle).
Often a certain choice of presentation will highlight the price action in a clearer, more comprehensible manner than others; for instance, a poor example I posted elsewhere - using a very short timeframe to read the crazy gyrations that often follow news should be of more use than using a 5 minute one, wheareas switching up to a 15 minute might yield the best opportunities in the context of a different style of price action, perhaps a strong 3 day trend with well-defined impulses and pullbacks.
I think I'm asking why should matters sudddenly become more vague, or "random" simply because one drills down into the same territory?
In fact I would go as far to say that 1. the market is rarely, if ever, random and 2. it is usually easier to understand what is happening on a smaller timeframe than on a larger one, but that may be 1. down to personal preference and 2. piffle. :cheesy:
But perhaps this is not what you meant, as I imagine "random" can be interpreted in several ways. In my view, every trade by every participant in an instrument will have an effect on it and as this effect is directly caused by a human (or black box originally instructed by a human) buying or selling (or staying flat) then it can hardly be called random, unless they are all using a coin and a Monte Carlo clock (well you know what I mean
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) to decide whether and when to buy and sell and for how long to hold the position. A 1 lot may not move the price but the trade is still important.
I would be very interested to know what you and others mean by 'random' in a market context. And there's always Malkiel I guess.
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My thought is that people mean that as price action cannot be broken down into obvious mathematical progressions with a statistically significant degree of consistency and ensuing predictability (this may rouse a320 from his jet and many others - I hope so!) it must be random, regardless of timeframe, but I admit that is a very naive interpretation.
Re. Gut feeling: Certain progressions of price action in certain contexts can often give very useful clues to the future, though of course the unexpected can still happen at any time, which is why we need stops. Hour upon hour of watching these scenarios, traps, spikes, hesitations etc. unfold time and time again in different guises can give rise to, "grow" almost, a certain gut feeling that has the capacity to alert one to them the next time they occur. The subconscious has seen it before and it lets you know even when the conscious may still be trying somewhat blindly to force an opinion on the thing. No new insights here. But worth pointing out that this gut feeling has to be earned through a lot of screen time to be available, trustworthy or useful or else it is likely to be detrimental. The screen time is essential to allow patterns to sink in and interpretation to blossom. I would add that of all styles of trading, scalping or ultra-short term trading can perhaps utilise "feel" more effectively than others, but I'm by no means sure why.
Sorry to sound so woolly on this, but I truly believe it. I deliberately use the weak "faith" position" here as it is difficult to prove empirically and, besides, I have another 30 years of "earning the right to discretion" to go as it is (I hope!)
Some excellent advice in your post, as ever. Thanks for the thought provocation too.
Cheers.