Suggested broker for UK stocks (and maybe futures)?

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Hi all,

I'm an international student in London, and wanted to start up my trading account for UK equities and futures. I have read some of the suggestions on this topic in T2W but most of them seem to be for US markets.
I have been fairly successful trading on the Scottrade desktop platform in the US, when I was studying there, and used some basic technical indicators and charting (stochastics, MACD, RSI).

I am currently leaning towards E*Trade Financial's PowerTrade software. It's got decent reviews online and seems to be fairly affordable in terms of commission (6.95 per trade for the Powertrade software). My only peeve is that they don't trade futures, and day trading the FTSE is what I'm looking forward to (that's why I've mentioned futures).

I wanted the general feedback of how good is E*Trade's software, if anyone has ever used them, and if they have any similar suggestion for stock/index futures in the UK markets, maybe a broker/trading platform that incorporates both for UK markets?

Any feedback would be appreciated! :cheesy:

Edited by timsk Oct' 2010
This thread was originally in the Trading FAQ sub-forum. It's now linked in post #3 of the catchall FAQ Can You Recommend a Data Feed, Charting Software & Broker?
 
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suggested broker futures

Hi

E*Trade do have a futures site but you have to apply for it as it runs on a different platform.
 
I would say Alexander David 0207-448-9800 both online and phone trading with direct market access they will also manage your trades if your away from the screens spk to Liam or Nick both ok
 
PELZAR YOU WORK FOR ODL SECURITIES, you rip people off & you should not be asking honest investors to contact your company, read below!!!!


Review: I received my money two days after they stopped my trading and I asked them to wire the balance to my checking account, so I will raise my rating of them for being honest. Other than stopping my trading when I was doing very well, I am fairly happy with ODL.

1 Star I have been with ODL for about a year and fairly happy with them even though I have not been very successful in making money. At long last, I think I figured out how to make successful trades and started making a lot of money. Yesterday the broker called and shut me down because he said they didn't appreciate my method of scalping the market although that is what I have been doing all last year but without much success. It seems to me that as long as you are losing money they will treat you well, but start making money and you are a threat to them.

I haven't received my money yet, but will post that experience when and if it arrives.



Review: ODL is a BIG SCAM,they manipulate the spreads in almost the time.like EURGBP 15 pips,EURCHF 10 pips .Keep out from them if you want trade successfully.Move your account to another Broker like FXDD where them spreads are fixed and have good execution.


Review: ODL are not to be dealt with. I had an account with them and they kept blocking me out before significant market moves. When I closed my account the balance of £720 which was in the account was never refunded, I complained but they insisted they had refunded the money. When I asked for the account that was refunded to they gave me a totally different account number to the one I had. When I told them that this was not my account and they knew it they became rude and abusive.

The Fixed spreads are nice and tight, limit orders are ALWAYS respected. (Even during weekend gaps) which is a PLUS compared to some other brokers.

For those who say they constantly keep getting "requote", well, they must not know how to use the MT4 platform, and you can set a maximum deviation which will eliminate most if not all MARKET order requotes. I personally would try to trade LIMIT orders as much as possible that way you are guaranteed your entry/exit prices. MARKET orders during news events will guarantee you the worst possible price as ODL has a direct conflict of interest.

When I want to withdraw money it comes out very fast. All-in-all, ODL is one of the best fixed spread brokers out there.

Review: I have had an account with ODL for five months now. I should have seen the writing on the wall. First, I funded my account with $2,000 with a debit card, those funds were immediately returned to me and I received a $60 charge. After several calls and emails, I had to fund the account with a check - the $60 charge was never refunded, the broker stated it was a charge from Bank of America.

Now, I made four more deposits over the past week, today I received four more unexpected/unapproved charges. I inquired again, the broker stated these were BoA charges. I called BoA, they stated, under no uncertain terms, that these were not BoA charges and suggested I file a fraud claim.

In addition, I too have noticed several requotes (this is the only forex broker I've had, I thought it was a market condition, not a broker issue). Now that I try to withdraw the funds in my account, I have to fill out and fax back a form requesting a check.

I'm going to dig out of this issue and find a reputable broker with top reviews from Forex Peace Army.

Review: odl is an excellent platform. very solid and reliable.spreads are good and I trade currencies and oil.Slippage happens ocasionally but only round news time and I dont trade things like non farm etc.
Service from the tech guys is excellent and I switch easily from demo to live and back.I have been on several other platforms and only cms with visual trader is as good.
Alot of people need to realise it is not a game it is real.Occasionally things can go wrong in life just learn to protect as best you can and you are ok with odl


I have an acct with them for more than 2 years, it was OK when I lost some money and you can trade whatever you want so long as you keep losing. When my acct changed from losing to winning position, things changed, e.g. you are not allowed to trade news and even worse they start stop-loss-hunting, I was stolen some good pips by them in this way. Recently they raised their stop loss limit from 5 pips to 10 pips without any notice.

I totally agree with that post found below:

"Roger, Europe
Date of Post: 2007-10-11
Review: This compnay are not interested in profitable forex traders. The platforms Metatrader/Currenex are not in the real market so if you make money it comes out of their pocket. If you lose it goes into their pocket!"


Their spread is great, I have to admit, at the same time this also can serve as a bait.

Because of their apparent manipulation of price, I'm to withdraw my fund and to find an HONEST broker somewhere...

Adam, California, USA
Rating:

Date of Post: 2008-04-03

Review: I've used ODL for about 3 months and have not had a problem with this broker. Their spreads are the best among all brokers and they stay fixed. They have 2 pip spreads on so many major pairs.

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Why not! In my opinion they are a good company, I'm sure they have thousands of clients so the opinion of a handful shouldn't be the consensus of the entire forum. It sounds to me as if you've lost a lot of money tried reporting them to the financial ombudsman and got no where, so youre now dedicating your time to bad mouthing them on a forum. Well unlucky pal, youre just one of the thousand who get F****D by the markets.

Best of luck,

Pelzar x x x
 
Well my case has not gone to the Financial Ombudsman, so you are wrong on that point. If you look at this forum it is full of bad feedback on ODL.

Looking at your picture, it may be a good idea for you to visit the Gym for 2009 instead of sitting down a pilling on more pounds.

Run fat boy.

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Great Reply!!

I know it is but as I said im sure they have thousands of clients!

The extra poundage? Simply evidence of good living, one can afford to do that when they are making money in the markets, give us a shout if you need to borrow a fiver.
 
Well my case has not gone to the Financial Ombudsman, so you are wrong on that point. If you look at this forum it is full of bad feedback on ODL.

Looking at your picture, it may be a good idea for you to visit the Gym for 2009 instead of sitting down a pilling on more pounds.

Run fat boy.

x x x x x x x

How to make friends...
 
ODL SECURITIES LTD APPELLANT

(1) MR P BROOKS RESPONDENT
(2) MR C BURGESS
(3) MR P GERSH
(4) MR N LAKING

Transcript of Proceedings

JUDGMENT

APPEARANCES

For the Appellant
MR JAMES LADDIE
(of Counsel)
Instructed by:
Messrs Simmons & Simmons Solicitors
City Point
One Ropemaker Street
London EC2Y 9SS
For the Respondent
MR PAUL NICHOLLS
(of Counsel)
Instructed by:
Messrs. Payne Hicks Beach Solicitors
10 New Square
Lincoln’s Inn
London WC2A 3QC


SUMMARY
Practice and Procedure - Disclosure
Disclosure / further information sought. Relevance of material /information to issues in case (Constructive s.103A ERA automatically unfair dismissal). Possible P.1.1./ confidentiality claim by relevant authorities.

HIS HONOUR JUDGE PETER CLARK
This case is presently proceeding in the Stratford Employment Tribunal. The parties are Mr Brooks and three others, Claimants, and ODL Securities Ltd, Respondent. I shall so describe them. There is before me an appeal by the Respondent against an interim order made by a Chairman, Mr M F Haynes, at a case management hearing held on 4 May 2007 refusing the Respondent’s application for an order for disclosure of documents, alternatively an order for additional information to be provided by the Claimants as set out at paragraph 7(i) of the Chairman’s reasons dated 16 May.

Background
By his claim form ET1 Mr Brooks asserted that he together with his co-Claimants formed a team of fixed income traders employed by an associate company of ODL, and that as a result of making certain protected disclosures the Claimants were subjected to conduct by the Respondent entitling them to terminate their employment in circumstances amounting to constructive dismissal. Those resignations took effect on 6 June 2006. It is contended that those dismissals were automatically unfair under s103A of the Employment Rights Act 1996. Compensation for such unfair dismissal if found is unlimited. The total sum claimed by the Claimants is in the order of £8.8m. This is therefore a substantial claim.

Within the particulars given of Mr Brooks’ case were allegations that he was threatened by a friend of Mr John Paul Thwaytes, a Director of the Respondent, a man called Ben Cotton. So concerned was the Claimant by these threats, made in May 2006, that he states, paragraph 26 of his claim form particulars, “that he was provided with a uniformed armed police guard”. I note that this aspect of the Claimants’ case is specifically referred to at paragraph 3.10 of the Claimants’ updated List of Issues for a substantive hearing of this contested claim. It is described as an issue going to the question whether the Claimant was constructively dismissed. It is there said ‘that the Respondent failed to take grievances and concerns about, among other things, threats seriously or to act appropriately in response’. Mr Laddie has also taken me to passages in Further Particulars provided by the Claimant which indicate to me that the threats also form part of the basis for at least two of the disclosures relied on by the Claimant as protected disclosures.

The original specific request for disclosure was made by the Respondent’s solicitors by a letter dated 20 April 2007. They requested of the Claimant all documents in relation to his alleged complaint to the police in relation to alleged harassment and/or threats including any police reports and any details of any of the Claimants being provided with a uniformed armed police guard as pleaded at paragraph 26 of Mr Brooks’ particulars of claim. The request specified, without limiting the inquiry, a witness statement made to the police by any of the Claimants, the crime reference number allocated by the police and the address of the police station at which the crime report was made.

The Claimants’ solicitors’ response on 27 April was that the Claimants had no such documents “but in so far as specific disclosure is sought the Claimants have no objection to this request in so far as it relates to any documents within their custody, care or control which are not privileged from disclosure”. Further correspondence ensued but the matter was not resolved between the parties. Hence the issue arose for determination by the Chairman at the case management discussion (CMD) held on 4 May 2007. I have been provided with a note of the relevant part of that discussion prepared by Miss Finn of the Respondent’s solicitors with apparently some input from Mr Laddie, who appeared on behalf of the Respondent at that hearing. The note is not agreed by the Claimants who were then represented by their solicitor Mr McRoberts. In one respect, to which I will return, there is a material dispute. In the event it does not seem to me that that dispute requires resolution for the purpose of this appeal for reasons which I shall come to.

The discussion proceeded on the basis that the Respondent’s request was by way of disclosure, alternatively a request for additional information. Reading Miss Finn’s note I have the distinct impression Mr McRoberts found himself in some discomfort. Miss Finn’s note records that he said “We haven’t said no documents” but that is challenged by Mr McRoberts in correspondence. Mr McRoberts objected to the release of documents or information because his clients were not at liberty to talk about this or about the police. He said that the discussion was about an on-going investigation and if the Respondent’s really wanted to pursue this he would have to stop and could reveal no more. Asked by the Chairman whether his difficulty was as a solicitor or because the police had asked him to keep the matter confidential, he replied delphically that the difficulty was how that affects him. Asked specifically what legal obligation required him not to reveal the details of the police investigation, Mr McRoberts replied that it was a national security issue involving Government agencies and if the Respondent’s representative wished to discuss it he preferred to go through the managing partner of his firm. Later Mr McRoberts said that he was willing to suggest that the Claimants could strike through the reference to the armed guard but that suggestion did not satisfy Mr Laddie; and today, Mr Nicholls has made it quite clear that the Claimants’ case before the Tribunal at the substantive hearing due to commence on 2 July will involve raising allegations of threats. Those threats, insofar as they are said to be attributable to the Respondent, are denied by the Respondent, are denied by the Respondent.

The Chairman’s Reasoning
In refusing the Respondent’s application for disclosure/further information, the Chairman gave his reasons in writing at paragraph 7(i), as follows
“The Chairman, putting aside for the purposes [of] his decision the difficulties referred to, [that is by Mr McRoberts] decided that it was not appropriate to make an order for disclosure of these matters. Firstly, they did not relate directly to the issues in the case. The First Claimant [Mr Brooks] had not made a protected disclosure about this, nor was it, in itself, probative that any of the Respondents’ alleged actions towards him had occurred. It was therefore not relevant or proportionate to order that there should be any such disclosure or that any further information should be given on the matter. Any concerns that the Respondent s have can be raised in cross examination at the hearing.

The Appeal
I begin with the Chairman’s Reasons. The following questions it seems to me arise. (1) Do the Claimants have documents or information relating to the Respondent’s request? (2) If so, is that material relevant to the issues in the case? (3) Is it proportionate to make the orders sought? The answers to those questions appear to me to be: (1) Whether or not the Claimant has those documents does not determine whether or not it is appropriate to make the order. On the contrary, it may well be that an order of the Tribunal will concentrate the mind of the Claimant. In any event, this is an alternative application and it seems to me highly unlikely that the Claimant does not know the crime reference number and details of the police station at which he reported the alleged threats in or about June 2006. (2) Yes. The issues as to threats made to Mr Brooks and the Respondent’s response to his concerns about those alleged threats feature in the Claimant’s form ET1; in the Further & Better Particulars, where they are identified in relation to two of the disclosures relied on; and, specifically, in the Claimant’s own List of Issues (paragraph 3.10). (3) Yes. It seems to me that there can be no basis for suggesting that if the material is relevant it is disproportionate to make the orders requested. I accept Mr Laddie‘s construction of the Chairman’s Reasons that the expression “relevant or proportionate” must be taken conjunctively despite the use of the word ‘or’. It would not be proportionate to order disclosure or additional information if it were not relevant.

I have in mind the test which must be passed before this Appeal Tribunal can interfere with the undoubted discretion granted to the Employment Tribunal Chairman. The principles are summarised by Wood J in Adams & Rayner v West Sussex County Council [1999] IRLR 215, a discovery case, and I should cite a passage referred to in Harvey on Industrial Relations and Employment Law Vol V paragraph T1687 from the Court of Appeal decision in Noorani v Merseyside TEC Ltd [1999] IRLR 184. In relation to the limited scope for appeals against the exercise of a Tribunal’s discretion in respect of interim decisions the Court said:
“Such decisions are essentially challengeable only on what loosely may be called Wednesbury grounds when a Court at first instance exercised the discretion under a mistake of law or disregarded principle or under a misapprehension as to the facts, where they took into account irrelevant matters or failed to take into account relevant matters or where the conclusion reached was outside the generous ambit within which a reasonable disagreement is possible.”

On the critical question of relevance, I am quite satisfied that the Chairman was under a misapprehension as to the way in which the case was being put on behalf of the Respondent. It was not enough in my view to take the narrow line that the question of an armed guard outside the Claimant’s home was not relied on directly in relation to any of the issues in the case. The point being made by the Respondent was that there was a material issue as to whether or not the Claimant had been subjected to threats, and in particular threats by the Respondent or its agents. The account which he gave to the police, if a complaint was made may be material when compared with the account given in these proceedings. The question as to whether or not he received an armed guard may again go to the seriousness with which it may be inferred the threats, as reported, were taken by the police. But the short point is, as the Chairman accepted and acknowledged, these were matters which the Respondent had a legitimate interest in raising in cross examination of the Claimant. In order to effectively cross-examine it is right, and the fairness of the hearing requires, that the Respondent has as much material for that purpose by way of disclosure or additional information as it is proper to order. The finding that this was not relevant to the issues in the case, in my judgment, is wholly impermissible to the extent that it offends the Wednesbury principles.

The issue that the Chairman put aside was in my judgment the real issue in this application. It was raised by Mr McRoberts at the hearing below and is pursued by Mr Nicholls on behalf of the Claimant in responding to this appeal. It is whether the information requested was subject to any form of public interest immunity or confidentiality such that the Claimant ought not to be required to disclose either documents or information sought in this application.

Mr Nicholls makes the very fair point that if there is such an immunity or confidentiality it attaches not to the Claimant in these proceedings but to the agencies involved. That is an aspect of the case that has troubled me. I say straight away that apart from that aspect I would have no hesitation in allowing this appeal and exercising my powers under s35(1) of the Employment Tribunals Act 1996 making the order sought by the Respondent. However, there is no representative of any of the interested agencies joined in this appeal nor present to make formal representations.

I should recount in this judgment that a public servant was present in court and on the application of Mr Nicholls, notwithstanding resistance by Mr Laddie, I saw that public servant in private. I do not propose to disclose his identity or anything that I heard from him

It does seem to me that there should be a form of protection extended to the agencies involved. In these circumstances, I adopt the proposal put forward by Mr Laddie, subject to a small variation suggested by Mr Nicholls. The order I make is that the appeal is allowed. I shall make the order for disclosure and/or further information as sought by Mr Laddie, the precise terms of which may be agreed between Counsel and attached to my order. However, that order will not take effect before 4.00 pm on Monday 25 June 2007. That will allow the relevant authorities to apply on paper marked for my attention to be joined as parties having an interest in this appeal and there will be liberty to any parties whom I join to apply to vary or revoke the order which I have just made. Mr McRoberts, the solicitor for the Claimant, has helpfully undertaken to notify all the relevant authorities known to him of this order and its effect forthwith so that the applications may be made if thought appropriate. Failing any such application, the order will take effect from 4 pm on 25 June. What I shall make clear in the order is that any application to be joined must be made on notice to the parties.
 
Of course i am, i'm fighting for justice....or compemensation, either way i'm going to win. Watch out for my website about ODL securities.
 
Dear Neil,

I am aware of Libel action that may be taken against me. However, this would all be bad publicity for a company like ODL. It would be far too costly and the bottom line is that they would be suing me for money that i could not afford or have.

I am pretty sure there insurance cover would advise against such action, it would be a non productive event. One they have to find me (i live abroad now) and two they could not recover costs (in the event i did go to court).

I think it would be easier and cheaper for them just to pay me off rather than go through all the grief and bad PR.
 
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