Indicator that won't fail - why? Why most others fail?

[ronposit]

Why Most Trading Indicators Fail—and Why Mine Doesn’t​

Logical Reasons Indicators Fail

1. Lagging Nature of Indicators: Many indicators rely on historical data, making them reactive rather than predictive. This delay often results in missed opportunities or late entries/exits.
2. Market Conditions Change: Indicators are typically designed for specific scenarios, such as trending or ranging markets. When the market transitions, these tools often fail to adapt.
3. Over-Optimization (Curve Fitting): Traders often tweak indicator settings excessively to fit historical data, creating the illusion of accuracy in backtests. Unfortunately, this rarely translates to live market performance.
4. Ignoring Market Context: Indicators analyze isolated data points, but they fail when traders neglect the broader market environment, including news, sentiment, or macroeconomic trends.
5. Psychological Misuse: Emotional trading—whether driven by greed or fear—often overrides the logic of indicators.
6. Indicators Are Derivative Tools: Indicators are built from price, volume, or time data. They don't generate new information but merely highlight patterns, limiting their predictive power.

The Real Reasons Indicators Fail
Most indicators share a fundamental flaw: they’re derived from the same small set of mathematical formulas, such as moving averages, RSI, and stochastic oscillators. These formulas are rehashed, rebranded, and presented with slight variations, offering little real innovation.

Moreover, many traders using these tools have no understanding of their original purpose. The creators of these indicators often designed them to simplify their own analysis—not to fully automate trading with a "buy and sell" simplicity. This disconnect leads to misuse and unrealistic expectations, causing frustration and losses.

The problem intensifies with modern indicators that attempt to predict market behavior. Prediction introduces a significant margin of error, as markets are influenced by countless unpredictable factors.

The Hallmarks of a Good Indicator
A good indicator does not attempt to predict the market; it reacts to and confirms market behavior. It observes, measures, and responds rather than assuming future movements.

I don’t claim to know every great indicator out there, but I know one that works—mine.

Why My Indicator Stands Apart

1. Trend Reversal Detection: It identifies and measures trend reversals, marking the beginning of new trends with precision.
2. Multi-Time Frame Analysis: It evaluates trends across multiple time frames simultaneously, ensuring signals are grounded in a broader market context.
3. Buy/Sell Signals: Signals are issued based on micro-trends within major trends, confirmed by analysis across multiple time frames.

This tool is the product of years of learning from methodologies like Elliott Wave Theory, Wyckoff principles, price action, and smart money concepts (SMC). Hundreds of lines of code bring these principles together in a highly effective system that eliminates the guesswork.

Beyond the Indicator
To prevent misuse and maximize its potential, my indicator comes with a mandatory two-hour instruction session. This training covers market context, structure, and the nuances of proper application. Without this foundation, even the best tool can lead to poor outcomes.

In the end, an indicator is only as good as the trader using it. With the right education, tools, and mindset, traders can turn frustration into confidence—and losses into consistent gains.

I personally trade NQ futures, attached is an example of Friday, Jan 3, 2025 indicator in action. All questions will be answered, free personalized one-on-one demo is available and encouraged.

 

[ChelseaR]

Good read

 

[Simon54]

Interesting! How does it handle sideways market?

 

[ronposit]

Interesting! How does it handle sideways market?

Hi, thank you for reading my post. If you recall, I do not just sell my indicator, it comes with mandatory training, which addresses numerous issue, such as stop loss, take profit, times we do not trade (we have economic calendar), know your market (each security has it's own market timing), proper time frames for day trading, where by indicator catches the lease amount of "market noise" often associated with sideways market. So to answer your question - indicator, depending on time frame will either show conflicting signals for a duration of the choppiness or will ignore the choppiness if in a slightly higher time frame. Indicator does precisely as intended and does it well, it is us the humans, who need to be aware of this phenomena (sideways market) and learn to either avoid it altogether or learn how to deal with it. I am a strong proponent of quality education! I hope I answered your question.
Attached is an example I personally run into yesterday, Proper STOP LOSS, helped me avoid unpleasant chop and yielded in a profit:

 

[Simon54]

Hi, thank you for reading my post. If you recall, I do not just sell my indicator, it comes with mandatory training, which addresses numerous issue, such as stop loss, take profit, times we do not trade (we have economic calendar), know your market (each security has it's own market timing), proper time frames for day trading, where by indicator catches the lease amount of "market noise" often associated with sideways market. So to answer your question - indicator, depending on time frame will either show conflicting signals for a duration of the choppiness or will ignore the choppiness if in a slightly higher time frame. Indicator does precisely as intended and does it well, it is us the humans, who need to be aware of this phenomena (sideways market) and learn to either avoid it altogether or learn how to deal with it. I am a strong proponent of quality education! I hope I answered your question.
Attached is an example I personally run into yesterday, Proper STOP LOSS, helped me avoid unpleasant chop and yielded in a profit:

Your indicator does a good job. Typically you manage choppiness using STOP LOSS?

 

[ronposit]

Hi, the answer is as follows:
1. My indicator & chart layout, allows me to trade on either or all of 3 time frames. The larger the time frame, the less my trades effected with the "noise".
2. My students are introduces to a true market structure/pattern, knowing the pattern is #1 thing in trading. This knowledge tells me where we are going & indicators confirms it - thus I know that my stop loss is in the right place and will hold (for correctness, I will say, will most likely hold)
I developed my indicator for:
1. Myself! It validates my opinion of the pattern (sometimes without statistics and calculations of the indicator it is quite difficult/confusing)
2. For people who are looking for easy way of trading without contextual knowledge of the market. Some people just don't care to learn, some are just limited in their ability to learn and retain info.
Either way it works. You know, I bet you I will shock you with this - you can literally toss a coin every morning and coin will decide if you will take only "buy" or only "sell" signals. Guess what? Indicator will either restrict your trading, or will lead you to huge profits! This is 100% guaranteed! No brains of market analysis is required!

 

[jzb]

hi so how do I go about learning receiving the indicator?

 

[Inquisitor]

@ronposit if your indicator is so good then please publish broker statements showing that (in real time) it works. Anything short of this is of no value at all as there are countless indicators that show after the event how profitable they are and when used in real time they never work the same way. Showing statements is easy to do and you can blank out any personal details.

 

[steven46]

There are no indicators that "never fail". If there were, who would take
the other side of the trades? The answer is that as soon as it became
apparent that such an indicator existed, NO ONE would trade with you.
You could put in your order but it would never be filled. Your brokerage
would send you a message saying "nothing done". Period.

By all means sell your indicator to the next bigger fool expressing interest.

 

[MonicaGong]

Why Most Trading Indicators Fail—and Why Mine Doesn’t​

Logical Reasons Indicators Fail

1. Lagging Nature of Indicators: Many indicators rely on historical data, making them reactive rather than predictive. This delay often results in missed opportunities or late entries/exits.
2. Market Conditions Change: Indicators are typically designed for specific scenarios, such as trending or ranging markets. When the market transitions, these tools often fail to adapt.
3. Over-Optimization (Curve Fitting): Traders often tweak indicator settings excessively to fit historical data, creating the illusion of accuracy in backtests. Unfortunately, this rarely translates to live market performance.
4. Ignoring Market Context: Indicators analyze isolated data points, but they fail when traders neglect the broader market environment, including news, sentiment, or macroeconomic trends.
5. Psychological Misuse: Emotional trading—whether driven by greed or fear—often overrides the logic of indicators.
6. Indicators Are Derivative Tools: Indicators are built from price, volume, or time data. They don't generate new information but merely highlight patterns, limiting their predictive power.

The Real Reasons Indicators Fail
Most indicators share a fundamental flaw: they’re derived from the same small set of mathematical formulas, such as moving averages, RSI, and stochastic oscillators. These formulas are rehashed, rebranded, and presented with slight variations, offering little real innovation.

Moreover, many traders using these tools have no understanding of their original purpose. The creators of these indicators often designed them to simplify their own analysis—not to fully automate trading with a "buy and sell" simplicity. This disconnect leads to misuse and unrealistic expectations, causing frustration and losses.

The problem intensifies with modern indicators that attempt to predict market behavior. Prediction introduces a significant margin of error, as markets are influenced by countless unpredictable factors.

The Hallmarks of a Good Indicator
A good indicator does not attempt to predict the market; it reacts to and confirms market behavior. It observes, measures, and responds rather than assuming future movements.

I don’t claim to know every great indicator out there, but I know one that works—mine.

Why My Indicator Stands Apart

1. Trend Reversal Detection: It identifies and measures trend reversals, marking the beginning of new trends with precision.
2. Multi-Time Frame Analysis: It evaluates trends across multiple time frames simultaneously, ensuring signals are grounded in a broader market context.
3. Buy/Sell Signals: Signals are issued based on micro-trends within major trends, confirmed by analysis across multiple time frames.

This tool is the product of years of learning from methodologies like Elliott Wave Theory, Wyckoff principles, price action, and smart money concepts (SMC). Hundreds of lines of code bring these principles together in a highly effective system that eliminates the guesswork.

Beyond the Indicator
To prevent misuse and maximize its potential, my indicator comes with a mandatory two-hour instruction session. This training covers market context, structure, and the nuances of proper application. Without this foundation, even the best tool can lead to poor outcomes.

In the end, an indicator is only as good as the trader using it. With the right education, tools, and mindset, traders can turn frustration into confidence—and losses into consistent gains.

I personally trade NQ futures, attached is an example of Friday, Jan 3, 2025 indicator in action. All questions will be answered, free personalized one-on-one demo is available and encouraged.

Interesting read!

 

[ronposit]

hi so how do I go about learning receiving the indicator?

If we schedule, I will gladly demonstrate how it works, then you decide if this is something you may want.

 

[ronposit]

@ronposit if your indicator is so good then please publish broker statements showing that (in real time) it works. Anything short of this is of no value at all as there are countless indicators that show after the event how profitable they are and when used in real time they never work the same way. Showing statements is easy to do and you can blank out any personal details.

Typical comment of a loser in denial. I have an army of people I coached and who are still with me. My students in addition to indicator get free access to my daily live trading sessions, where I trade in public. Please grow up and understand if you are a failure, it doesn't mean there are no successful people out there.

 

[ronposit]

There are no indicators that "never fail". If there were, who would take
the other side of the trades? The answer is that as soon as it became
apparent that such an indicator existed, NO ONE would trade with you.
You could put in your order but it would never be filled. Your brokerage
would send you a message saying "nothing done". Period.

By all means sell your indicator to the next bigger fool expressing interest.

Another idiot lecturing..... Please enjoy your failures and misery, stay away from me and people who do believe and understand that your logic is ridiculous!

 

[ronposit]

Anyone doubting that it is entirely possible to have self adjusting indicator, which simply follows trends without any bias or statistical estimations, I will gladly demonstrate how you are simply wrong. Markets trend all the time, following the trends is the only way to successfully trade. It's not beating the market, like most losers think, it is using the market to derive income/wealth. All the losers are at war with markets, I on the other hand just follow trends and therefore prosper!

 

[Rufus_Leakey]

@ronposit if your indicator is so good then please publish broker statements showing that (in real time) it works. Anything short of this is of no value at all as there are countless indicators that show after the event how profitable they are and when used in real time they never work the same way. Showing statements is easy to do and you can blank out any personal details.

Typical comment of a loser in denial. I have an army of people I coached and who are still with me. My students in addition to indicator get free access to my daily live trading sessions, where I trade in public. Please grow up and understand if you are a failure, it doesn't mean there are no successful people out there.

I get it. Someone asking someone else to prove their performance is a "loser in denial."
https://www.reddit.com/r/FuturesTradingNQ/comments/1ik7fho/comment/mc99n3k/

The original post has "All questions will be answered," and my question is:
If the indicator is so good, why do you feel the need to sell it and your training to "losers" here and in various other places on the Internet?

 

[ronposit]

I get it. Someone asking someone else to prove their performance is a "loser in denial."
https://www.reddit.com/r/FuturesTradingNQ/comments/1ik7fho/comment/mc99n3k/
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The original post has "All questions will be answered," and my question is:
If the indicator is so good, why do you feel the need to sell it and your training to "losers" here and in various other places on the Internet?

1. Regarding my question you found on Reddit. As a moderator of my community I questioned the person of specific results on specific dates, I did not request his personal financial data!!! Furthermore, I've had a lengthy discussion with him in private chat, he wanted to post his supply demand zones for my community to use, but after I reviewed his charts it was a complete mess.
2. Here is my daily routine. I trade early in AM for about 3 hours (mainly NY open and upto 3 hours thereafter) my trading is in the open forum, I broadcast my charts and trades to subscribers and students, then I work out a little, and to avoid going nuts for the rest of the day, I train people practically all day until later hours. I take a few hours to play some sports early afternoon. Training, keeps me in the zone, satisfies me, makes my life interesting and exciting. As a result my life is structured, "clean", disciplined and very exciting. I make many good friend from all over the world. If I did not do this, I literally would loose my mind from boredom.

 

[steven46]

This person claims to be a moderator of a community. That is laughable, and rather sad
at the same time.

I think those of us who are skeptical have expressed reasonable doubts and they have not
been answered. The insults and lack of good responses should alert members that this is
a person to avoid in future. I suggest that persons new to trading should check out Dr. Al
Brooks comments on the subject of con artists in trading and the way they present themselves.
After that it is only a matter of conducting due diligence and being skeptical of anyone who
suggests that there is an easy way to make money if only they will pay for a "magic" indicator
that never fails

To those who struggle in this effort, I wish you well.

Best Regards
Steven

 

[ronposit]

This person claims to be a moderator of a community. That is laughable, and rather sad
at the same time.

I think those of us who are skeptical have expressed reasonable doubts and they have not
been answered. The insults and lack of good responses should alert members that this is
a person to avoid in future. I suggest that persons new to trading should check out Dr. Al
Brooks comments on the subject of con artists in trading and the way they present themselves.
After that it is only a matter of conducting due diligence and being skeptical of anyone who
suggests that there is an easy way to make money if only they will pay for a "magic" indicator
that never fails

To those who struggle in this effort, I wish you well.

Best Regards
Steven

I dont recall asking or forcing anyone to pay, if anything I offered some explanations as to what's what. At the very least intelligent people ask for a demonstration and only then draw conclusions. The few, unintelligent philosophers here (the scary kind) draw conclusions and attack without any basis whatsoever. It's ok, we are used your kind - loud, arrogant, know-it-all morons! Yes, those who struggle, come and see how it can change, but don't listen to these morons who attack and insult people with solutions. Trading can be much easier under proper guidance. My Guidance starts with a no risk, no pressure demonstration of what a good trading indicator/system does.