George Osbourne (et al) in Parliament atm

[scose-no-doubt]

Is anyone watching this? He really hasn't got a clue has he? It's scary. I'm waiting to hear from a committe on this and I'm waiting for a report that. What a joke.The more I watch this tosh the more I find it unbelievable that this is how the country is run by this process of slimey tw@s saying one thing and doing another. I can't belive that as a naive teenager I used t believe that all of these people were bona fide geniuses.

rant over.

 

[Shakone]

this is how the country is run by this process of slimey tw@s saying one thing and doing another.

It has been like that for how long? Probably as long as I can remember. That said, I don't like Osborne.

 

[Ambrose Ackroyd]

Osborne et al cannot be as bad as Brown et al or indeed Blair et al.

Who the f**k is Al anyway ?

 

[0007]

[Osborne] "I'm waiting to hear from a committe on this and I'm waiting for a report that."

Gordo didn't consult committees or await reports before he:
1. Flogged our gold at bottom
2. Raided the pension funds
3. Let the banks rip
4. Let the FSA practise gross incompetence
5. Massaged the figures
6. Wasted fortunes on non-projects
7. Fattened up the Public sector with over-paid wages & pensions
8. Under-funded our troops

If Osborne steers clear of all that, I'll be well-pleased.

 

[megamuel]

Actually he did consult some of the top bods about selling the gold.... Then he ignored their advice and sold it anyway!

 

[scose-no-doubt]

What a crock of sh*t 007. Each of those points is extremely superficial and you know as well as I do that the reality is infinately more complex. I reckon the tory plan to take credit for the growth phase of the cycle is well underway so all Osbourne/Rothschild has to do is keep his hands off the wheel.

 

[montmorencyt2w]

Well Cameron may be untested as far as office is concerned, but to give him his due, he has managed to get to be leader of a political party and make it at least semi-electable again.

I am not sure what Gideon had done before the election (during which he seemed to be being kept out of the way).

Let's see:

1) Inherit a fortune from his Dad
2) Get elected to a safe seat.

...er. OK, he also went to Oxford, but so did plenty of chumps, so that doesn't prove anything.

So basically he is a completely untried force. True this is also the case with other previously untried people who have then gone on to be quite successful, but we really have no knowledge of how he will stand up to pressure.

Still, Maggie too had a few wierdos on board, e.g. Sir Keith Joseph, Norman St John Stevarse, John Patten, and it didn't seem to do her much harm (not that I agreed with what she did, but she was "successful" in her own terms).

 

[meanreversion]

You need to give these people time. First impressions can sometimes be misleading. Another senior political figure on the other side of the Atlantic came in on a wave of hope and hype and turned out to be a 3rd rate politician like all the rest of them. In fact, he's a very childish 3rd rate politician. We don't know if that's true of Cameron and Boy George just yet.

 

[Black Swan]

That is the most dangerous cabinet created in living memory, each one has a reasonable amount of new wealth to protect (principally fragile house price asset wealth)...They will do everything to further their own ambitions and totally fook over the electorate. Don't be fooled that the 38 yr old Gideon Osborne 13th Baronet of Ballin Taylor, (never done a days graft) has the country's welfare at heart, this is not about economics it's an ideological battle versus socialism that they are determined to win at whatever cost..and honestly what qualifications does he have to lay down the law? What experience does he have to handle the 5-6th largest economy on the planet? Evil little fooker, one call to the Torygraph ensured he got rid of Laws pretty quickly, sent out a message no doubt...

These cuts and obsession with the deficit are a total unecessary red herring, cuts are not required on the level Osborne suggests. The structural debt and deficit balooned from 2008 onwards due to the banking crisis engineered in the US. The BoE/MPC and govt had no options left given the US could have brought down the whole system had our mechanism not kicked in to ensure counter party risk.

Any hope that the Libs would provide a brake to their ideological madness has evaporated, wouldn't be surprised if Clegg crossed the floor..shuffled along the bench...

This cuts mantra is totally transparent, they want an economic re-set in order to allow the rich to pick up bargains, that's why they have little fear in taking the oxygen out of the supposed recovery. The noises re. cuts aimed at the less well off and the muddled clases are nauseous, at a stroke closing tax loop holes, sacking off the impotent willy waving that is trident, pulling our troops back from the USA's oil and mineral crusades could pull back in excess of £150bl inside 2 years...

I'd forgotten how utterly evil Tory policy is, Lord Snooty and his chums will bring this country to its knees inside the next 3 years, then watch out for the artificial mini-boom in order to attempt to get re-elected...

That expenses scandal gave us a once in a lifetime 'guy fawkes' opportunity to rip it up and start again...instead of which our gutless zombie nation simply carrys on voting for more of the same...I have to chuckle thinking of the idiot middle class, just keeping their heads above water, voting in the Tories, wtf did they think they'd get as a reward? Unemployment to reach 4.5 million, inacitvity to reach 35% (or ten million adults), increased crime levels, ghettos, pensions trashed, no jobs or future for most of their offspring unless you pay double the current UNI fees, and a temporary crash in house prices of 25%+...the stupid over cooked turkeys voted for Xmas...

 

[meanreversion]

What a load of tosh - do you actually believe that or are you saying it to be provocative?

Firstly, only a couple of months ago the country was hurtling along an inevitable path to oblivion, courtesy of the sociopathic maniac who is/was Gordon Brown (where the hell is he these days anyway?).

Second, it's not REALLY Osborne working out the details is it, it's his mandarins and civil servants. He knows the budget has to be cut (and to suggest otherwise is lunacy, don't be fooled by the current low rate on gilts) so then it's a matter of where to apply the axe (pretty much everything will be affected, there are no sacred cows).

Third, David Laws is a crook and a liar (and hypocritical to boot), why should he not have been turfed out? Friends at the Telegraph? They didn't spare the Tories during their expenses revelation.. one of them will soon be on trial (Lord someone or another).

Fourth, the economy is a little bit of a red herring in itself. By that I mean, it's important as hell, but the REAL issue is the UK being sold down the river to Brussels. In the long run, that's equally important, but for the moment the economy is used to obscure that issue. On this matter, if Cameron follows Brown and Blair in total capitulation, I would wholeheartedly agree with you Black Swan, they need to be kicked out for a party that truly cares about its country.

You simply HAVE to give the coalition the benefit of the doubt, it's very early days. You can't judge them after a month, in the same way that just because Man U win their first 3 games, doesn't mean the league is over, and just because the US elect a black leader, doesn't mean he's the messiah.

This coalition cannot be worse than the preceeding lot, the evil twisted hypocritcal agents of Satan that formed the Labour party, and for that we should be grateful.

 

[squall321]

what's the qualification to be chancellor, brown has a phd in history, and george osbourne has a degree in history, shouldn't there be someone with a bit more expertise at the top??

 

[shadowninja]

Well, I dunno, listening now, it sounds like he's giving a history lecture so having history degrees must be relevant.

 

[meanreversion]

David Laws was suited to his role, having worked at BZW and JPMorgan. I had high hopes for him and I really can't understand how he fell into the expenses trap (presumably he is quite wealthy anyway, without having to steal £40k from the taxpayer).

His defence was that he and his boyfriend weren't really partners in the true sense because they didn't have a joint bank account.

Rite, so these days it goes

1. have physical relations
2. have children (if hetero partners obv)
3. get married
4. the ultimate sign of commitment, get a JOINT BANK ACCOUNT

 

[Black Swan]

What a load of tosh - do you actually believe that or are you saying it to be provocative?

Firstly, only a couple of months ago the country was hurtling along an inevitable path to oblivion, courtesy of the sociopathic maniac who is/was Gordon Brown (where the hell is he these days anyway?).

Second, it's not REALLY Osborne working out the details is it, it's his mandarins and civil servants. He knows the budget has to be cut (and to suggest otherwise is lunacy, don't be fooled by the current low rate on gilts) so then it's a matter of where to apply the axe (pretty much everything will be affected, there are no sacred cows).

Third, David Laws is a crook and a liar (and hypocritical to boot), why should he not have been turfed out? Friends at the Telegraph? They didn't spare the Tories during their expenses revelation.. one of them will soon be on trial (Lord someone or another).

Fourth, the economy is a little bit of a red herring in itself. By that I mean, it's important as hell, but the REAL issue is the UK being sold down the river to Brussels. In the long run, that's equally important, but for the moment the economy is used to obscure that issue. On this matter, if Cameron follows Brown and Blair in total capitulation, I would wholeheartedly agree with you Black Swan, they need to be kicked out for a party that truly cares about its country.

You simply HAVE to give the coalition the benefit of the doubt, it's very early days. You can't judge them after a month, in the same way that just because Man U win their first 3 games, doesn't mean the league is over, and just because the US elect a black leader, doesn't mean he's the messiah.

This coalition cannot be worse than the preceeding lot, the evil twisted hypocritcal agents of Satan that formed the Labour party, and for that we should be grateful.

are you a child?

 

[MrGecko]

are you a child?

I have to say Black Swan, your tirade on the present Government is alarmingly similar to that of BSD on anyone who questions that which is in Market Wizards (Praise Be Upon It). Void of structure, clarity, evidence or argument.

If you have a point to make, either through argument or evidence, then make it. If your point is "he's a posh fook" then... well then just say it as it is.

 

[Black Swan]

I have to say Black Swan, your tirade on the present Government is alarmingly similar to that of BSD on anyone who questions that which is in Market Wizards (Praise Be Upon It). Void of structure, clarity, evidence or argument.

If you have a point to make, either through argument or evidence, then make it. If your point is "he's a posh fook" then... well then just say it as it is.

I'm politically 'agnostic', I have no loyalty to one flavour or another. It's a joke quite frankly, I'm past it, moved on years ago; "red pill hasn't worked, ooh!! let's try the blue one..with a bit of yellow pi55ed on snow for good measure". Democracy is a farce, a simple exercise in misdirection, an illusion...

This ba5tard hybrid government does however worry me given it has no real mandate, and will avoid the commons and due process at all cost in order to dump its bizarre ill thought out revenge politics on a nation..

In relation to expertise, background, experience, qualifications...can any one explain to me how we have allowed such a deeply flawed system to evolve elevating such corrput individuals to assume such positions of power simply by swearing allegiance to the owners of various media empires...?

Douglas Adams (he who wrote hitch hikers) once suggested; "Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.." Thats how I feel about our political masters...We need a business secretary, get that Terry Leahy on the phone..We need a chancellor, give it to Mervyn King...

 

[MrGecko]

I'm politically 'agnostic', I have no loyalty to one flavour or another. It's a joke quite frankly, I'm past it, moved on years ago...

err...

I'd forgotten how utterly evil Tory policy is, Lord Snooty and his chums will bring this country to its knees inside the next 3 years, then watch out for the artificial mini-boom in order to attempt to get re-elected...

 

[MrGecko]

In relation to expertise, background, experience, qualifications...can any one explain to me how we have allowed such a deeply flawed system to evolve elevating such corrput individuals to assume such positions of power simply by swearing allegiance to the owners of various media empires...?

By voting for them.

 

[Black Swan]

wtf? As the Daily Hate readers favourite journalist might say; "you couldn't make this up if you tried..."

Up to four in 10 people searching for mortgage prices online don't have a 25pc deposit, according to a leading price comparison website. This would mean they would not qualify for a mortgage if the Bank of England introduced "mortgage caps" restricting home loans to 75pc of the property's value.

Powers for the Bank of England to limit home loans are expected to be announced by the Chancellor, George Osborne, in a speech to the City tonight. But moneysupermarket.com, which carried out the research, said a cap would be "disastrous" and risked putting the housing market into "suspended animation" for many years.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ortgage-caps-40pc-could-be-denied-a-loan.html

 

[Black Swan]

my last word on this thread..well actually not mine, but a paragraph or two that brilliantly sums up 'where we're at' with brevity, clarity and relevance...

Gold-plated pensions in public sector is a myth, Clegg told...

Unison's Dave Prentis warns of industrial action if government opts for wage and pension cuts in budget

Unison's general secretary, Dave Prentis, says the government should make the banks pay and 'not let our communities take the pain'.

Nick Clegg yesterday found himself under sustained attack from inside his own party and from unions over claims that public-sector workers enjoy "gold-plated and unaffordable pensions".

The scale of the attack was the first sign that Clegg, the deputy prime minister, could be a lightning conductor for some of the political responses to the cuts.

Dave Prentis, general secretary of Unison, today opened the annual conference of the public services union, vowing to back industrial action to fight the coming spending cuts. He singled out Clegg for having "lectured" low-paid workers in local government when the Liberal Democrat had himself "claimed for a biscuit tin".

Prentis warned the government that it would not know what had hit it if it took on public-sector workers and cut services, pay and pensions. He said if Clegg came "for our pensions, then we will ballot for industrial action".

He promised that Unison would not go down blind alleys or act prematurely, and that it had the resources and public backing to challenge the cuts.

Claiming his union enjoyed unprecedented strength in terms of membership and finances, he vowed it would build community alliances to stop cuts and to demand that city speculators paid the price for the cuts. He also said that only a Labour leadership candidate willing to fight cuts and privatisation would be backed.

He said:

"Stop taking money from schools, hospitals, care homes. Have the guts to go back to the banks, the speculators, the profiteers, and tell them on our behalf – you created this mess, you pay for it. It's not about looking for scapegoats. It's about that fairer society we were all promised.

"Now, six weeks after the election, the Tories say they can't ask big business to pay tax, they'll discourage enterprise. They can't regulate the financial system, or there'll be fewer jobs in the City. They can't stop the bonus culture, or they're penalising success. But with breathtaking hypocrisy, they'll take away benefits, they'll undermine our job security, they'll let our communities take the pain while the City speculators get off scot free. The public sector [is] asked to tighten its belt, more restraint, 'do more with less'. These pension myths are scaremongering. There are no unreformed, gold-plated pension pots. The average pension in local government is just £4,000 a year, dropping to £2,600 for women."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/15/gold-plated-penison-myth-prentis