General Sports Chit Chat

[JTrader]

Looks like Murray has a good chance of winning US open today.

Amir Kahn got his ass kicked. I didn't see that coming!.
It hard to tell what went wrong exactly as the fight was over in less than a minute. It may have been a bit reckless to go out against an unbeaten opponent with a 90% KO rate, in the 1st round, throwing body shots etc. leaving his guard sagging and face exposed.
Still, I'm sure he'll bounce back and do well, and it was surprising to see him in the gym, the next morning, doing an interview!
But it doesn't look like he can take a good punch very well .

YouTube - Breidis Prescott KO's Amir Khan in 30 seconds or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Fights

 

[Gumping]

Looks like Murray has a good chance of winning US open today.

Amir Kahn got his ass kicked. I didn't see that coming!.
It hard to tell what went wrong exactly as the fight was over in less than a minute. It may have been a bit reckless to go out against an unbeaten opponent with a 90% KO rate, in the 1st round, throwing body shots etc. leaving his guard sagging and face exposed.
Still, I'm sure he'll bounce back and do well, and it was surprising to see him in the gym, the next morning, doing an interview!
But it doesn't look like he can take a good punch very well .

I was a bit shocked too - it turns out that this opponent was recommended by Amir's new coach and that Warren was unaware of him. The new coach obviously thought Amir would do a number on him.
I agree he should have tried to work this guy rather than come out all guns blazing. Could be a good wake-up call to Khan now - he's been on about how he's ready for a world title shot for about a year now In some weight classes (Heavyweight?) he possibly would, but lightweight is one of the strongest divisions! Casamayor, Campbell, Diaz, not to mention Manny Pacquaio floating around between weights down there. Amir's got talent, there's no denying it, but he's really got to crack on and learn from this, get that defence sorted out and probably show his opponents a bit more respect too.

 

[JTrader]

Kahn doesn't look to take a puch well, and should perhaps learn from calzaghe.
Calzaghe doesn't hit hard, but knows the aim is to hit and not be hit, and so his good defense and avoidance of trouble, and his high frequency of punches, has ensured he's never lost and only been cut twice.
Kahn punches hard, moves well, but at the moment still gets hit.
Kahn needs to learn how to create angles and avoid punches, and become elusive - just like calzaghe does/is.

I think Roy Jones will beat Joe Calzaghe in November btw. due to his superior punching power, but hope that Calzaghe finds a way to win that one.

 

[Gumping]

Kahn doesn't look to take a puch well, and should perhaps learn from calzaghe.
Calzaghe doesn't hit hard, but knows the aim is to hit and not be hit, and so his good defense and avoidance of trouble has ensured he's never lost and only been cut twice.
Kahn punches hard, moves well, but at the moment still gets hit.
Kahn needs to learn how to create angles and avoid punches, and become elusive - just like calzaghe does/is.

Too right. Lennox was a bit like that too - he didn't take a punch well and learnt to move at angles and create opportunities, and to use the jab to keep people from coming in. Khan knows now he has alot to learn before he can challenge for a world title.

 

[JTrader]

Too right. Lennox was a bit like that too - he didn't take a punch well and learnt to move at angles and create opportunities, and to use the jab to keep people from coming in. Khan knows now he has alot to learn before he can challenge for a world title.

Yes. I'm no expert, but have listened to calzaghe talk about angles, and you can see how this enables him to elude punches. Often his torso will be much more sideways on, and he can step out of the way. Kahn looked very square on. Not sure if this does/should make a big difference?? perhaps you do (Mr Martial arts?)

Calzaghe is a southpaw, which also must help a bit, or at least, he knows how to use it to his advantage.

 

[Gumping]

Not sure if this does/should make a big difference?? perhaps you do (Mr Martial arts?)

Calzaghe is a southpaw, which also must help a bit.

Absolutely makes a difference when you can't use elbows Incidentally, one of Calzaghe's cuts came against Sakio Bika, and was the result of Bika's use of the head because he was frustrated that he couldn't get in at Joe. But you're right he's also a southpaw - this can make things awkward for the opponent.
Angles are a funny thing in boxing though. Ali had a few shots that he threw at oblique angles that always found their mark. also, if you remember Naz's (What a waste!!!!) showboating, he used to evade punches and then counterpunch with great power from all sorts of angles. Difficult to deal with.

Amir was obviously very, very confident in himself and came straight on at his opponent, expecting a KO. And as an excellent example of how Amir shouldn't conduct himself, this is the sort of thing that Audley Harrison (Another waste!) did aginst Michael Sprott last year.

Respeck da opponent!

 

[JTrader]

True. Hamed was very unorthodox and highly effective, in large part due to his athleticism and panther like movement. He could have achieved a lot more, but then when you have your health, & multi-millions in the bank, there's not that much motivation to continue in a dangerous sport perhaps.

Yes calzaghe has only actually been cut once. Bika was a dirty fighter.

Harrison should quit!

 

[Gumping]

He could have achieved a lot more, but then when you have your health, & multi-millions in the bank, there's not that much motivation to continue in a dangerous sport perhaps.

Good point. It must be extremely hard to motivate yourself to train your @$$ off, lose half a stone, and then get in the ring and risk a good kicking when you have a pile of cash to your name!
This is something that may have worked against Audley, in that he was a millionaire before he ever turned pro. But he's had too many second chances now to say it's just that. The man boxes like he's trying to limit the damage his opponent will do to him, and pi$$es his viewers off with yawn-fest after yawn-fest. I still remember his first fight against Danny - he genuinely looked the better boxer, and in the last couple of rounds, made a pretty fair account of himself. Doing that over 12 rounds, Danny wouldn't have kept up with him. Then the same against Dominic Guinn. Then the opposite against Michael Sprott...and now back to his old tricks again. It is a crying shame, because he's got skillz. But maybe he should retire n:

 

[JTrader]

Good point. It must be extremely hard to motivate yourself to train your @$$ off, lose half a stone, and then get in the ring and risk a good kicking when you have a pile of cash to your name!
This is something that may have worked against Audley, in that he was a millionaire before he ever turned pro. But he's had too many second chances now to say it's just that. The man boxes like he's trying to limit the damage his opponent will do to him, and pi$$es his viewers off with yawn-fest after yawn-fest. I still remember his first fight against Danny - he genuinely looked the better boxer, and in the last couple of rounds, made a pretty fair account of himself. Doing that over 12 rounds, Danny wouldn't have kept up with him. Then the same against Dominic Guinn. Then the opposite against Michael Sprott...and now back to his old tricks again. It is a crying shame, because he's got skillz. But maybe he should retire n:

Had Hamed had a guard, and not been so intent on showboating, and dodging the punches, he'd have won the Barrera fight. As it was losing fairly narrowly on points. He was one of the very best hough, no doubt.

HIGHLIGHT Prince Naseem Hamed! cHECK iT!

YouTube - HIGHLIGHT Prince Naseem Hamed! cHECK iT!

"i was bloody good" naseem hamed interview cute one

YouTube - "i was bloody good" naseem hamed interview cute one

 

[Gumping]

Had Hamed had a guard, and not been so intent on showboating, and dodging the punches, he'd have won the Barrera fight. As it was losing fairly narrowly on points. He was one of the very best hough, no doubt.

Yeh, probably.

I saw an article on one of the boxing sites with the top 10 post-war super-featherweights, and Naz didn't make it, but was mentioned at the bottom with something along those lines. He could have been a legend, I reckon. But I've never cared for him as a person, and after his car accident and the way he crippled some poor guy for life, he can f**k himself!

 

[JTrader]

Yeh, probably.

I saw an article on one of the boxing sites with the top 10 post-war super-featherweights, and Naz didn't make it, but was mentioned at the bottom with something along those lines. He could have been a legend, I reckon. But I've never cared for him as a person, and after his car accident and the way he crippled some poor guy for life, he can f**k himself!

Yes, he's never exactly been perfect role model material.

Can't see how he didn't make a top 10 post-war list though, that sounds a bit harsh.
Naz never fought at super-feather btw. he was a featherweight, and before that a super bantamweight, & bantamweight.

 

[yacarob1]

Khan is not the real deal by a long long way.

Neither was Naz.

But they are both world class at crashing cars and doing damage to other people.

It was good to see Khan get beaten up so badly. :clap::clap: :clap:

 

[JTrader]

Khan is not the real deal by a long long way.

Neither was Naz.

But they are both world class at crashing cars and doing damage to other people.

It was good to see Khan get beaten up so badly. :clap::clap: :clap:

If Naz was not a world class boxer, how come he was a world champion for 5.5 years, how come he only lost 1 fight, has never been stopped, and 31 of his 36 wins were by KO?

I remember watching the Kevin Kelley fight @ MSG, and the commentator said Naz not only hadn't read the boxing manual, but he'd never even looked at the table of contents. This pretty much summed up his unique, exciting style. Sure, his guard was weak (but this was by design, with his ego saying he doesn't need to protect himself, cos he can either move out of the way, or can take what his opponent has to offer) his arrogance was high, but he was the most entertaining british boxer by far - love him or hatE him, and DEFINATELY a world beater!

You know nothin!

 

[yacarob1]

You know nothin!

WTF cares anyway ?

I just like stirring you up Naz lover.

 

[yacarob1]

Naz, Khan and Joey Barton are 3 of a kind.

A veritable prile of sh1t.

 

[JTrader]

Khan is a good role model to todays youth, and adults also. Hard workiing, positive attitude, non-defeatist. The only thing against him is he broke a guys leg driving his car in bolton. but wasn't that just an accident?

i agree, joey barton seems a very troubled young man, and has done some bad things.

Naz has done wrong, was/is arrogant, had a bad attitude, but in other ways, at the same time also had a very good attitude.

 

[yacarob1]

I just like normal, responsible, clean, sports people who never get involved in any controversy.

I don't mind if they earn zillions of millions as long as they behave like decent people with a good attitude.

A couple of names spring to mind.... Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes.

But definitely not John Terry.

 

[yacarob1]

Maybe I was a bit harsh on Naz although I detest his arrogance.

He was pretty good but nowhere near the best I have ever seen.

I don't think Khan will ever be up there though. It was even mooted recently that he might have a crack at Ricky Hatton next year.

Somehow, sadly I don't think that will now happen.

Hatton would decimate him and then spit him out.

 

[JTrader]

Hatton is too tough for Kahn, and Kahn would struggle to build up to 10st perhaps, as he'd need to put 6.5 lb on from saturday.

Hamed would also probably beat Kahn now, if he lost the weight & made lightweight, due to his elusiveness, and ability to hit from all angles.

Hamed V's Hatton would be very interesting, as they are similar fighters, but Naz much more spectacular IMO. Again a mismatch as Hamed is 4 inch shorter, and perhaps would be somewhat over his optimum at Hattons weight. But it'd be a close call, though Hatton would probably win.

But as for Naz's style, i defy anyone to watch this entrance & not laugh/be slightly impressed. You don't see many Brit sport people taking on the Americans in their own back yard with such sheer arrogance/supreme confidence
YouTube - prince naseem hamed entrance (kevin kelley fight)

1997 F*** m*, time flies! I remember listening to this on five live, and that Irish commentator was couldn't believe how long his entrance was taking, saying it was a farce and totally disrespectful etc. Still, a KO win in 4.

 

[yacarob1]

What is your earliest recollection of boxing JT ?

Mine is getting up in the early hours of the morning with my father to listen to Cassius Clay fight Sonny Liston ( 1st fight ) on the wireless.

Actually, that's not quite true because I can remember the fight where Henry Cooper knocked Clay down.