Coming back to a market

[Joe Ross]

Sometimes a market just seems to become untradable. You start having more losing trades than you would like to have. You find that what you have been doing just doesn't seem to work any longer. You are bored and frustrated with that market. Although you wait patiently for things to get better, they don't get any better: in fact, they may become even worse. Finally, in despair, you choose and learn how to trade elsewhere, until your newly chosen market forces you to once again make a choice for a better place to trade.

You decide to take another look at the market you previously left. How will you know when to start trading that market again after taking a so-called "'vacation?"

The things I look for are:

• Normal tick size, in the event that what caused me to leave was abnormal tick size.
• More or even less volatility, in case previous volatility was not to my liking.
• Fewer fast market conditions, if fast market conditions were what were previously causing me problems.
• Greater liquidity, if lack of liquidity had become a problem.
• Decent fills with little or no slippage. In a normal market situation, positive slippage should come almost as often as negative slippage, with many fills at exactly my price.
• Less noise, if there was too much of it in the past.

Any of the above or a combination of any of the above will cause me to choose or to leave a market. I know that many traders "marry a market" and try to trade it through both good and bad times. But it has been my experience that looking elsewhere is often a lot better than suffering through the difficult times in any market you choose to trade.

I can recall a time back in August of 1997 when a friend of mine, who was trading the S&P500 at the time, called me up. He was almost in despair. "What's going on with the 'snp?' he asked. There's no order flow." He was right. The CME was about to cut the contract size in half, and at the same time introduce the e-mini S&P 500. There was much confusion about what it all meant, and the order flow in the "snp" had dried up considerably.

In my own trading I had dropped the contract entirely and was busy trading the bonds and grains. But my friend was frustrated for quite awhile because he was "married" to the S&P 500.

 

[arabianights]

 

[HowardCohodas]

One of the most difficult parts for me in developing a trading strategy is to develop the rules necessary to identify when the entry, management and exit rules are no longer working because of systemic changes in the market.

Part of my approach is to journalize my thinking every time I make a transaction. Why I opened the trade, did I follow my rules for entry, management and exit. Did I make any mistakes in execution (did one last month). Were the opportunities plentiful or scarce. Anything else that might be necessary if I review the trade a week, a month or a year from now.

By reviewing the individual trade I can analyse my discipline and fidelity to the rules. Now it remains to analyse if there have been any systemic changes in the market. Here I periodically review the results trade by trade to identify any trends that may enable me to identify systemic problems before there is substantial loss.

This is relatively easy for me because I am only making ten to fifteen transactions a month. For those making hundreds per day, other means may be necessary to prevent disaster.

 

[FX Bandit]

 

[FX Bandit]

One of the most difficult parts for me in developing a trading strategy is to develop the rules necessary to identify when the entry, management and exit rules are no longer working because of systemic changes in the market.

Part of my approach is to journalize my thinking every time I make a transaction. Why I opened the trade, did I follow my rules for entry, management and exit. Did I make any mistakes in execution (did one last month). Were the opportunities plentiful or scarce. Anything else that might be necessary if I review the trade a week, a month or a year from now.

By reviewing the individual trade I can analyse my discipline and fidelity to the rules. Now it remains to analyse if there have been any systemic changes in the market. Here I periodically review the results trade by trade to identify any trends that may enable me to identify systemic problems before there is substantial loss.

This is relatively easy for me because I am only making ten to fifteen transactions a month. For those making hundreds per day, other means may be necessary to prevent disaster.

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