A beginner's story - One year on

[knight_trader]

Hi everyone, I am fast approaching my first year of trading full time and have learnt an awful lot. I have been very quiet on these forums but now felt like I wanted to share my experiences with people in the hopes that it may help some others. I have by no means "made it" but like to think I'm at a point where I've gone through many of the hard lessons.

To begin with my apologies as I expect this will be a long post...

Firstly some background. When I started trading full time, I had been working in the city for approx. 3 years. I was not a trader myself but worked closely with them and various market participants. I had learnt enough (I felt) to go it alone and see where I could get to. I was at a point where I had cash saved up and it was probably going to be the best opportunity I would ever get.

Step 1

Firstly I did what it seems everyone else does, I started looking for a system. I had a number I'd been testing for about 6 months before I went full time as well as a number of others I began working on once I started. The first lesson I learnt was that just because it works on paper and over backtests there is no cast-iron guarantee it will work going forwards. I soon started to lose heart in the systems I had chosen to begin with and started inventing others, looking at more indicators, trying to use free ones from the forum. It seemed there was no holy grail.......an obvious comment to the experienced reading this but the novices will firmly believe it exists and will spend weeks/months searching for it.

Step 2

I got disheartened and to all intents and purposes went on tilt as the poker community call it. I just started trading by the seat of my pants annoyed by technical indicators and complicated systems. And you know what....

...I made as much money in two days as I used to make in a month at my previous job in town. I'd cracked it, who needs a system when you just have a god given ability to trade off your own intuition. So guess what happened next...

I lost all that I'd just made and then some Not stupid amounts but enough to make me sit back and think again.

Step 3

I reviewed what I'd been doing and saw that my trades were intuitively being based on very simple principles....support and resistance. Admittedly I was also watching a couple of moving averages to give me a broader view of what was going on but mainly I would go with these lines. All this time I'd been looking for systems that tell me to trade when the MACD does this, the RSI does that, blah blah blah, all the time looking for a perfect entry. However I found I could identify a simple resistance line on a chart, watch an index come back to it two whole trading days later and bounce off it to a 1 pip accuracy. When you start to see this happening time and time again you realise that perhaps the complicated systems aren't needed after all.

I noticed when I first started out reading the forums (and hence why I stopped) that each day I'd find a new system, or a new way to trade and it would end up confusing me more. Then one day I came across a post from a very experienced member (apologies for not having a link) that just said simplicity is the key. It was stuck at the bottom of a post containing a method using about 8 different indicators

Step 4

Despite being able to pick perfect entry points and winning trades I was still losing money overall. What now could be the problem.......and then I realised...it was me!

Some of my friends are shocked when I tell them I could sit them in front of a chart and tell them when to enter and when to exit but that they would more than likely lose money, even if the trade were destined to be a winner.

Human beings are, by their very nature, greedy, impulsive, impatient etc. When you have a loser you start to think "but why let it stop out, I'm sure it will come good" and when you're on a winner how hard is it to close a trade that's just made you 20 pips in 5 minutes?

I have no pearls of wisdom for this one as it has taken me most of the last year to work this one out, steps 1-3 I probably did in the first few months. One thing I can recommend is a book called "Trading in the Zone" by Mark Douglas. I know NKruger and others have recommended it and I have to say it has revolutionised my trading.

Probably one of the simplest concepts is a method of entry and exit done in 3 parts. You take a trade of quantity 3 (say £3 per pip with an SB), you close £1 out very quickly as the trade moves in your direction. For example if you enter on support you would close just as the trade starts to bounce, maybe just for 2-3 pips. You then close part 2 on your pre-defined exit point, you do not run the trade. Part 3 you then lock the stop at entry and leave it running as a free trade.

The one thing that you will very quickly learn is that part 3 very rarely does better than part 2, i.e. 9 times out of 10 your initial exit was spot on and if you'd let the trade run it may have made a few more pips but then more than likely reversed to your entry. Part 1 is always a nice pick me up for when the trade does go bad in that not only does it mean you got a few pips in (rather than stopping out 10 pips negative say) but also it gives you a little confidence boost that your entry was right...just this time it wasn't meant to be.

Step 5

So here I am now trading the FTSE100 exclusively and using spread betting to do it. When I first started I read so many posts saying the FTSE100 wasn't volatile enough, or that it's impossible to make profit with SB firms yet here I am still cracking away.

I have traded many different instruments in the past but came back to the FTSE100 for my education as being based in the UK it was one I could understand quite easily. It is not the best, the range can be very small and when the US opens all bets are usually off Still it works for me for now until I am happy and proficient enough to add on other instruments or move to something else entirely.

As for the spread betting debate, I have had a hell of a time. I've used Capital Spreads and IG Index and out of the two IG is by far the better one but does have a 2 pip spread on the FTSE rather than a 1 pip as with CS. Still I'm not going to get into that here, just to say I trade through an SB and can do so profitably. Eventually, when capital allows, I look forward to trading the futures directly



I trust this little insight into my history gives others some help with their own endeavours. If you have any questions feel free to post a reply or contact me directly. Additionally if there is anyone else out there trading the FTSE100 on a support/resistance bases and an intraday timeframe it would be great to hear from you. Trading can be a lonely business and a pen pal to swap ideas with would be most welcome!

 

[timsk]

Excellent post k_t - glad it's going well for you.

Tim.

 

[A Dashing Blade]

Suspect this thread will end up being stickied

 

[Slapshot]

great post and Well Done!!

 

[grimweasel]

bravo and i hope it all turns out well for you. TD has recently suggested becoming a master of 1 market rather than a jack of many. Do you ever look at forex etc still? Keep us posted on developments!

 

[knight_trader]

bravo and i hope it all turns out well for you. TD has recently suggested becoming a master of 1 market rather than a jack of many. Do you ever look at forex etc still? Keep us posted on developments!

Firstly thank you to everyone's for their kind responses, makes it worthwhile slaving over a hot keyboard

TD? Do you by any chance mean Trader_Dante? The only reason I ask is that I'm currently pouring through his 115 page thread and as a result have taken a *very* small punt on the GBP/JPY pair based on his "pins" strategy. Long at 20450 around 14:00 for those who may be interested, looking to get out at 20600 if it proves too difficult to break.

I do believe, at least in the beginning, that it's been best for me to concentrate on one market. The one key reason for me doing this is that I feel I "know" the market and am rarely surprised. I know novices on an SB account who have happily stuck £20-£30 a point on the Dow for example not really knowing how far it can move. Until you have seen an extremely volatile day you don't really know how much you are exposing yourself to risk. You show people like this a chart where the DOW has gapped massively on a news story and you see reality start to hit them a bit. I firmly believe that it is due to this sort of market naivety that people lose a lot of money and Spread Betting gets such a bad rap, they'd do the same in the futures markets if brokers were stupid enough to let them trade on such low margins.

In addition to the point above I know what news moves the markets and what doesn't. Trading multiple currency pairs, commodities and indices I would be hard pushed to keep up with it all. Whilst I don't trade the news I still think I should be aware of at least the major factors affecting my instrument, in my case interest rate decisions, non farm payrolls(!), etc.


That being said I never close my eyes to the other possibilities out there, however as a novice (which I still firmly class myself as) it is all too easy to jump on the latest trading bandwagon. This echoes my first post about pulling back from the forums in the beginning so as not to get hooked by each new trading setup. From a personal point of view though I'm really looking forward to expanding my S/R stuff out to some of the big currency pairs.

 

[RedGreenBen]

An excellent post, that mirrors my own experience (apart from my initial naivety that I thought I could spend 20 mins a day placing trades and then go the beach/moor/pub!).

Also glad to hear that it is possible to be profitable intra-day with SB. I have read so much negative SB press (much of it well intentioned I am sure) that I was starting to think I was alone (or was the one account that had missed being flagged for 'special treatment' as it was making money )

Thanks again for this excellent summary.

RGB.

 

[nkruger]

Just adding my two penneth worth k_t

Very good post, and a must read for newbies ~ and you're right DB about being stickied

Good luck with your second and subsequent years....

 

[fibonelli]

An excellent post.

re 3 lot trading - I've seen many videos of J F Carter using 3 lots when intra day trading. He sets modest targets for the first 2 lots, and then looks for a runner on the 3rd lot with the stop often being manually trailed from eg B/E.

 

[0007]

A very worthwhile account - IMHO best tip is Section 3's "simplicity is the key". Thanks for taking the trouble to post.

 

[nine]

Yes good story. KISS.

And re fibonelli's point about the 3rd lot trailing is important. I believe that the main benefit of the 3rd lot is a reduction in disappointment not an increase in profit. Why? Because if the market runs and you have nothing in it many people get frustrated and then try to join it too late, getting slammed for chasing. But if you have a 3rd lot then the late join isn't needed and you don't get slammed.

So lot 3 might save you many of losses even though it doesn't make huge profits.

 

[colincolin]

Hi everyone, I am fast approaching my first year of trading full time and have learnt an awful lot. I have been very quiet on these forums but now felt like I wanted to share my experiences with people in the hopes that it may help some others. I have by no means "made it" but like to think I'm at a point where I've gone through many of the hard lessons.

To begin with my apologies as I expect this will be a long post...

Firstly some background. When I started trading full time, I had been working in the city for approx. 3 years. I was not a trader myself but worked closely with them and various market participants. I had learnt enough (I felt) to go it alone and see where I could get to. I was at a point where I had cash saved up and it was probably going to be the best opportunity I would ever get.

Step 1

Firstly I did what it seems everyone else does, I started looking for a system. I had a number I'd been testing for about 6 months before I went full time as well as a number of others I began working on once I started. The first lesson I learnt was that just because it works on paper and over backtests there is no cast-iron guarantee it will work going forwards. I soon started to lose heart in the systems I had chosen to begin with and started inventing others, looking at more indicators, trying to use free ones from the forum. It seemed there was no holy grail.......an obvious comment to the experienced reading this but the novices will firmly believe it exists and will spend weeks/months searching for it.

Step 2

I got disheartened and to all intents and purposes went on tilt as the poker community call it. I just started trading by the seat of my pants annoyed by technical indicators and complicated systems. And you know what....

...I made as much money in two days as I used to make in a month at my previous job in town. I'd cracked it, who needs a system when you just have a god given ability to trade off your own intuition. So guess what happened next...

I lost all that I'd just made and then some Not stupid amounts but enough to make me sit back and think again.

Step 3

I reviewed what I'd been doing and saw that my trades were intuitively being based on very simple principles....support and resistance. Admittedly I was also watching a couple of moving averages to give me a broader view of what was going on but mainly I would go with these lines. All this time I'd been looking for systems that tell me to trade when the MACD does this, the RSI does that, blah blah blah, all the time looking for a perfect entry. However I found I could identify a simple resistance line on a chart, watch an index come back to it two whole trading days later and bounce off it to a 1 pip accuracy. When you start to see this happening time and time again you realise that perhaps the complicated systems aren't needed after all.

I noticed when I first started out reading the forums (and hence why I stopped) that each day I'd find a new system, or a new way to trade and it would end up confusing me more. Then one day I came across a post from a very experienced member (apologies for not having a link) that just said simplicity is the key. It was stuck at the bottom of a post containing a method using about 8 different indicators

Step 4

Despite being able to pick perfect entry points and winning trades I was still losing money overall. What now could be the problem.......and then I realised...it was me!

Some of my friends are shocked when I tell them I could sit them in front of a chart and tell them when to enter and when to exit but that they would more than likely lose money, even if the trade were destined to be a winner.

Human beings are, by their very nature, greedy, impulsive, impatient etc. When you have a loser you start to think "but why let it stop out, I'm sure it will come good" and when you're on a winner how hard is it to close a trade that's just made you 20 pips in 5 minutes?

I have no pearls of wisdom for this one as it has taken me most of the last year to work this one out, steps 1-3 I probably did in the first few months. One thing I can recommend is a book called "Trading in the Zone" by Mark Douglas. I know NKruger and others have recommended it and I have to say it has revolutionised my trading.

Probably one of the simplest concepts is a method of entry and exit done in 3 parts. You take a trade of quantity 3 (say £3 per pip with an SB), you close £1 out very quickly as the trade moves in your direction. For example if you enter on support you would close just as the trade starts to bounce, maybe just for 2-3 pips. You then close part 2 on your pre-defined exit point, you do not run the trade. Part 3 you then lock the stop at entry and leave it running as a free trade.

The one thing that you will very quickly learn is that part 3 very rarely does better than part 2, i.e. 9 times out of 10 your initial exit was spot on and if you'd let the trade run it may have made a few more pips but then more than likely reversed to your entry. Part 1 is always a nice pick me up for when the trade does go bad in that not only does it mean you got a few pips in (rather than stopping out 10 pips negative say) but also it gives you a little confidence boost that your entry was right...just this time it wasn't meant to be.

Step 5

So here I am now trading the FTSE100 exclusively and using spread betting to do it. When I first started I read so many posts saying the FTSE100 wasn't volatile enough, or that it's impossible to make profit with SB firms yet here I am still cracking away.

I have traded many different instruments in the past but came back to the FTSE100 for my education as being based in the UK it was one I could understand quite easily. It is not the best, the range can be very small and when the US opens all bets are usually off Still it works for me for now until I am happy and proficient enough to add on other instruments or move to something else entirely.

As for the spread betting debate, I have had a hell of a time. I've used Capital Spreads and IG Index and out of the two IG is by far the better one but does have a 2 pip spread on the FTSE rather than a 1 pip as with CS. Still I'm not going to get into that here, just to say I trade through an SB and can do so profitably. Eventually, when capital allows, I look forward to trading the futures directly



I trust this little insight into my history gives others some help with their own endeavours. If you have any questions feel free to post a reply or contact me directly. Additionally if there is anyone else out there trading the FTSE100 on a support/resistance bases and an intraday timeframe it would be great to hear from you. Trading can be a lonely business and a pen pal to swap ideas with would be most welcome!

Hi Mate are you making a good return with the last 2 months trading ? i have 50k in my capital spreads account but am a novice looking for some help trading in return for a cut

 

[vonkhanage]

Hi guys,

Thank you knight, it is very nice to get a bit of reassurance ever now and then, i think there are a lot of people on here who would love to be trading full time for a living, so well done you for actually having the balls to go ahead and do it.
in terms of the overall profitability of your trading, i would also have to say i appreciate your honesty, it certain makes my own failings seems more surmountable.

too many traders i speak / write to "skim" over their losses and (i suspect) are unable to be honest with everyone or themselves as to why they have lost. Computer, distraction etc.

but it is encouraging to know that people can and do actually make a living from trading.
many thanks.

-VK-

 

[knight_trader]

Hi Mate are you making a good return with the last 2 months trading ? i have 50k in my capital spreads account but am a novice looking for some help trading in return for a cut

My first advice would be to get the 50k out of your Capital Spreads account, if nothing else it's earning you zero interest but more importantly I wouldn't trust CS to sit on £10k of my money let alone £50k. You have to ask yourself how safe is that deposit? Anyway that is purely my opinion, nothing more, for true CS bashing you can go visit the thread dedicated to them on this forum.

I'm afraid I am in no position to advise anyone on trading strategies, however I would warn you that posting messages like that is likely to get you a few PMs from some unscrupulous people out there who will happily sell you their system for a few £k. Again wholly my opinion and a simple word of warning.

The best piece of advice I can give is to take £49k out and mess with £1k to start with. If you have that much money sitting there I'm going to hazard a guess that you are not scraping around trying to pay the bills and hence it won't matter if you make 10% a year or 100%. Even better get yourself on something like TradeSense over at IG where you can start for a few pence a point, I began that way and learnt a lot, plus they send you some useful beginners guides as part of the package.

They key issue I found, as mentioned in my earlier post, was the psychology of trading rather than the system. There will be methods out there and this forum is full of them, indeed some of them work extremely well......in the hands of the creator. However you may take the system and be a bit trigger happy, or too quick to take profits, etc. By not putting a large chunk of your account on the line you should remove a lot of the emotion and hopefully learn a few lessons. Unfortunately though most traders only learn this once they have lost a fortune (or two). One important point I did not note in my original story is that I used up all the funds I started with, as far as I'm concerned it was my education. It's amazing how, when the money starts to run out, you then start learning how to *really* trade.

If you are looking for a system then perhaps check out Trader_Dante's at this link http://www.trade2win.com/boards/first-steps/26947-making-money-trading.html

The key thing to look for here is that he has outlined a system that would appear to work on a regular basis. Now look at how many people can actually follow his success. People look at different charts and see different things, some people set their stops wider, some people take profit too early. Therein lies the human factor and the one which will become your greatest obstacle to overcome.....the trading system is only a very small part of your overall success.

 

[bobruffy]

A rare thoughts

Hi everyone, I am fast approaching my first year of trading full time and have learnt an awful lot. I have been very quiet on these forums but now felt like I wanted to share my experiences with people in the hopes that it may help some others. I have by no means "made it" but like to think I'm at a point where I've gone through many of the hard lessons.

To begin with my apologies as I expect this will be a long post...

Firstly some background. When I started trading full time, I had been working in the city for approx. 3 years. I was not a trader myself but worked closely with them and various market participants. I had learnt enough (I felt) to go it alone and see where I could get to. I was at a point where I had cash saved up and it was probably going to be the best opportunity I would ever get.

Step 1

Firstly I did what it seems everyone else does, I started looking for a system. I had a number I'd been testing for about 6 months before I went full time as well as a number of others I began working on once I started. The first lesson I learnt was that just because it works on paper and over backtests there is no cast-iron guarantee it will work going forwards. I soon started to lose heart in the systems I had chosen to begin with and started inventing others, looking at more indicators, trying to use free ones from the forum. It seemed there was no holy grail.......an obvious comment to the experienced reading this but the novices will firmly believe it exists and will spend weeks/months searching for it.

Step 2

I got disheartened and to all intents and purposes went on tilt as the poker community call it. I just started trading by the seat of my pants annoyed by technical indicators and complicated systems. And you know what....

...I made as much money in two days as I used to make in a month at my previous job in town. I'd cracked it, who needs a system when you just have a god given ability to trade off your own intuition. So guess what happened next...

I lost all that I'd just made and then some Not stupid amounts but enough to make me sit back and think again.

Step 3

I reviewed what I'd been doing and saw that my trades were intuitively being based on very simple principles....support and resistance. Admittedly I was also watching a couple of moving averages to give me a broader view of what was going on but mainly I would go with these lines. All this time I'd been looking for systems that tell me to trade when the MACD does this, the RSI does that, blah blah blah, all the time looking for a perfect entry. However I found I could identify a simple resistance line on a chart, watch an index come back to it two whole trading days later and bounce off it to a 1 pip accuracy. When you start to see this happening time and time again you realise that perhaps the complicated systems aren't needed after all.

I noticed when I first started out reading the forums (and hence why I stopped) that each day I'd find a new system, or a new way to trade and it would end up confusing me more. Then one day I came across a post from a very experienced member (apologies for not having a link) that just said simplicity is the key. It was stuck at the bottom of a post containing a method using about 8 different indicators

Step 4

Despite being able to pick perfect entry points and winning trades I was still losing money overall. What now could be the problem.......and then I realised...it was me!

Some of my friends are shocked when I tell them I could sit them in front of a chart and tell them when to enter and when to exit but that they would more than likely lose money, even if the trade were destined to be a winner.

Human beings are, by their very nature, greedy, impulsive, impatient etc. When you have a loser you start to think "but why let it stop out, I'm sure it will come good" and when you're on a winner how hard is it to close a trade that's just made you 20 pips in 5 minutes?

I have no pearls of wisdom for this one as it has taken me most of the last year to work this one out, steps 1-3 I probably did in the first few months. One thing I can recommend is a book called "Trading in the Zone" by Mark Douglas. I know NKruger and others have recommended it and I have to say it has revolutionised my trading.

Probably one of the simplest concepts is a method of entry and exit done in 3 parts. You take a trade of quantity 3 (say £3 per pip with an SB), you close £1 out very quickly as the trade moves in your direction. For example if you enter on support you would close just as the trade starts to bounce, maybe just for 2-3 pips. You then close part 2 on your pre-defined exit point, you do not run the trade. Part 3 you then lock the stop at entry and leave it running as a free trade.

The one thing that you will very quickly learn is that part 3 very rarely does better than part 2, i.e. 9 times out of 10 your initial exit was spot on and if you'd let the trade run it may have made a few more pips but then more than likely reversed to your entry. Part 1 is always a nice pick me up for when the trade does go bad in that not only does it mean you got a few pips in (rather than stopping out 10 pips negative say) but also it gives you a little confidence boost that your entry was right...just this time it wasn't meant to be.

Step 5

So here I am now trading the FTSE100 exclusively and using spread betting to do it. When I first started I read so many posts saying the FTSE100 wasn't volatile enough, or that it's impossible to make profit with SB firms yet here I am still cracking away.

I have traded many different instruments in the past but came back to the FTSE100 for my education as being based in the UK it was one I could understand quite easily. It is not the best, the range can be very small and when the US opens all bets are usually off Still it works for me for now until I am happy and proficient enough to add on other instruments or move to something else entirely.

As for the spread betting debate, I have had a hell of a time. I've used Capital Spreads and IG Index and out of the two IG is by far the better one but does have a 2 pip spread on the FTSE rather than a 1 pip as with CS. Still I'm not going to get into that here, just to say I trade through an SB and can do so profitably. Eventually, when capital allows, I look forward to trading the futures directly



I trust this little insight into my history gives others some help with their own endeavours. If you have any questions feel free to post a reply or contact me directly. Additionally if there is anyone else out there trading the FTSE100 on a support/resistance bases and an intraday timeframe it would be great to hear from you. Trading can be a lonely business and a pen pal to swap ideas with would be most welcome!

All i can say is more grace to your effort.You hardly come across people like you on platform like this.I myself have been trading for some months now,and can categorically say NO holy grail any where .people are only trying to sell junks.I have also tried some system and also combine different indicators but it always result in a loss.Now my concentration is only on Price. I believe the price is the best indicator to study.And also mastering risk management.If one can understand the money risk management with price movement then performance will be good. All the indicators can never accurately and consistently predict the direction of price.That is why all my energy now is directed towards studing the movement of price .I also trade the indices using capital spread.pls do keep posting and share success

 

[brooks79]

Excellent thread! Great post KT.....

 

[Drumm]

KT, A brilliant post, thank you for taking the time to share....

I too have been confused by the vast array of different systems and now simply watch price action, volume, DMA's and use indicators for confirmation.....

Now i am able to predict market action at a pretty acurate rate which I'm very happy with... However ,as you mentioned, I keep reading very negative views on trading with SB's and have stepped back from trading while I research this, it would be great if you could comment on any difficulties you have faced from the SB's? Or comment on the usual gripes... Bias, orders not being filled, etc...

Any info much appreciated : )

Thanks again, Warm regards
Drumm

 

[Yuppie]

lol...

It's amazing how, when the money starts to run out, you then start learning how to *really* trade.

So, so true...

Excellent contribution to T2W KT. Thank you.


Magnus

 

[nkruger]

Good, Sound Advice

My first advice would be to get the 50k out of your Capital Spreads account, if nothing else it's earning you zero interest but more importantly I wouldn't trust CS to sit on £10k of my money let alone £50k. You have to ask yourself how safe is that deposit? Anyway that is purely my opinion, nothing more, for true CS bashing you can go visit the thread dedicated to them on this forum.

I'm afraid I am in no position to advise anyone on trading strategies, however I would warn you that posting messages like that is likely to get you a few PMs from some unscrupulous people out there who will happily sell you their system for a few £k. Again wholly my opinion and a simple word of warning.

The best piece of advice I can give is to take £49k out and mess with £1k to start with. If you have that much money sitting there I'm going to hazard a guess that you are not scraping around trying to pay the bills and hence it won't matter if you make 10% a year or 100%. Even better get yourself on something like TradeSense over at IG where you can start for a few pence a point, I began that way and learnt a lot, plus they send you some useful beginners guides as part of the package.

They key issue I found, as mentioned in my earlier post, was the psychology of trading rather than the system. There will be methods out there and this forum is full of them, indeed some of them work extremely well......in the hands of the creator. However you may take the system and be a bit trigger happy, or too quick to take profits, etc. By not putting a large chunk of your account on the line you should remove a lot of the emotion and hopefully learn a few lessons. Unfortunately though most traders only learn this once they have lost a fortune (or two). One important point I did not note in my original story is that I used up all the funds I started with, as far as I'm concerned it was my education. It's amazing how, when the money starts to run out, you then start learning how to *really* trade.

If you are looking for a system then perhaps check out Trader_Dante's at this link http://www.trade2win.com/boards/first-steps/26947-making-money-trading.html

The key thing to look for here is that he has outlined a system that would appear to work on a regular basis. Now look at how many people can actually follow his success. People look at different charts and see different things, some people set their stops wider, some people take profit too early. Therein lies the human factor and the one which will become your greatest obstacle to overcome.....the trading system is only a very small part of your overall success.

Very wise words K_T. Hopefully a few newbies will read that and take note.

 

[Splitlink]

My first advice would be to get the 50k out of your Capital Spreads account, if nothing else it's earning you zero interest but more importantly I wouldn't trust CS to sit on £10k of my money let alone £50k. You have to ask yourself how safe is that deposit? Anyway that is purely my opinion, nothing more, for true CS bashing you can go visit the thread dedicated to them on this forum.

I'm afraid I am in no position to advise anyone on trading strategies, however I would warn you that posting messages like that is likely to get you a few PMs from some unscrupulous people out there who will happily sell you their system for a few £k. Again wholly my opinion and a simple word of warning.

The best piece of advice I can give is to take £49k out and mess with £1k to start with. If you have that much money sitting there I'm going to hazard a guess that you are not scraping around trying to pay the bills and hence it won't matter if you make 10% a year or 100%. Even better get yourself on something like TradeSense over at IG where you can start for a few pence a point, I began that way and learnt a lot, plus they send you some useful beginners guides as part of the package.

They key issue I found, as mentioned in my earlier post, was the psychology of trading rather than the system. There will be methods out there and this forum is full of them, indeed some of them work extremely well......in the hands of the creator. However you may take the system and be a bit trigger happy, or too quick to take profits, etc. By not putting a large chunk of your account on the line you should remove a lot of the emotion and hopefully learn a few lessons. Unfortunately though most traders only learn this once they have lost a fortune (or two). One important point I did not note in my original story is that I used up all the funds I started with, as far as I'm concerned it was my education. It's amazing how, when the money starts to run out, you then start learning how to *really* trade.

If you are looking for a system then perhaps check out Trader_Dante's at this link http://www.trade2win.com/boards/first-steps/26947-making-money-trading.html

The key thing to look for here is that he has outlined a system that would appear to work on a regular basis. Now look at how many people can actually follow his success. People look at different charts and see different things, some people set their stops wider, some people take profit too early. Therein lies the human factor and the one which will become your greatest obstacle to overcome.....the trading system is only a very small part of your overall success.

50k in a spreadbetting account! My mind boggles.

Anyone who has that much must be playing with peanuts and be a multimillionaire, already, or be nuts, himself.

Now, I KNOW, why traders get to dislike spreadbetting companies!

I suppose that there are reckless guys trying their luck! For them, yours is a timely post.

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