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Jim Symons is the world’s greatest trader .Jim simons has held top position among the top earners for over 1 decade.What makes a great trader is consistency in earnings , year after year.Ex-Math Professor Is America's Highest Earner.

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/11/06/2009110600681.html
His Earnings
2008 $2.7 billion
2007 $2.9 billion

34 percent annualized net return since 1988 . They charge a hefty 5% annual fee and 44% performance fee .

Charitable donations
RECORD $60M TO SCHOOL

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02282008/news/regionalnews/record_60m_to_school_99629.htm

http://www.nypost.com/video/?vxSite...el=NY Post&vxClipId=1458_245830&vxBitrate=700


In 2008 James Symons was the top earner with $2.5 billion amongst the top trader.He has done it year after year for over two decades.What this proves is automated /computer models work better than the brain in trading.

March 25 (Bloomberg) -- Following is a ranking of the highest-paid hedge fund managers in 2008, according to Institutional Investor magazine’s Alpha publication.
The top 25 managers earned a total of $11.6 billion in 2008, the third-best year on record, according to Alpha. The following table is ranked by the highest money earners:

Rank Person Firm 2008 est.
1 James Simons Renaissance Technologies Corp. $2.5 billion
2 John Paulson Paulson & Co. $2.0 billion
3 John Arnold Centaurus Energy $1.5 billion
4 George Soros Soros Fund Management $1.1 billion

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1013324.shtml

Math whiz Simons, who made $1.7 billion to repeat as No. 1, has assembled an army of rocket scientists to build complex computer models that rapidly trade markets around the world, hoping to exploit tiny price changes.

http://www.finfacts.com/irishfinancenews/article_1010178.shtml

For over two decades, Simons' Renaissance Technologies hedge fund, which trades in markets around the world, has employed complex mathematical models to analyze and execute trades--many of them automated. Renaissance uses computer-based models to predict price changes in easily-traded financial instruments. These models are based on analyzing as much data as can be gathered, then looking for non-random movements to make predictions.

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10005996.shtml
 
he doesnt seem to say what exactly is his strategy, wall street has tried to get this from him loadsa times.

Id be interested in your opinions on his strategy.

i'd think he is a master insider trader :) thats y he got few PHd's workin for him who know nothin bout wall street n finance.

how else can one make billions when everyone else is losing billions.
Goldman Sachs is a good example of how its done
 
You might also want to google 'Alexander Astashkevich'... An interesting addition to the RenTec mythology.
 
meh...if he's so good i'd like to see him turn $1000 into $1 million within a year. Or even $1 million into a billion if the $1000 starting sum isn't interesting enough.

Martinghoul is one of the best, I don't know why he's not mentioned in that article.
 
35% a year from 5,000 stocks is not that difficult , is it?Use Zanger's momentum strategy with fundamental's and only risking 2% per trade .It is that easy .20 losers in a year and 20 winners , winners have target of 2 * stop or 5% t/p
 
In 2008 James Symons was the top earner with $2.5 billion amongst the top trader.He has done it year after year for over two decades.What this proves is automated /computer models work better than the brain in trading.

March 25 (Bloomberg) -- Following is a ranking of the highest-paid hedge fund managers in 2008, according to Institutional Investor magazine’s Alpha publication.
The top 25 managers earned a total of $11.6 billion in 2008, the third-best year on record, according to Alpha. The following table is ranked by the highest money earners:

Rank Person Firm 2008 est.
1 James Simons Renaissance Technologies Corp. $2.5 billion
2 John Paulson Paulson & Co. $2.0 billion
3 John Arnold Centaurus Energy $1.5 billion
4 George Soros Soros Fund Management $1.1 billion

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1013324.shtml

Math whiz Simons, who made $1.7 billion to repeat as No. 1, has assembled an army of rocket scientists to build complex computer models that rapidly trade markets around the world, hoping to exploit tiny price changes.

http://www.finfacts.com/irishfinancenews/article_1010178.shtml

For over two decades, Simons' Renaissance Technologies hedge fund, which trades in markets around the world, has employed complex mathematical models to analyze and execute trades--many of them automated. Renaissance uses computer-based models to predict price changes in easily-traded financial instruments. These models are based on analyzing as much data as can be gathered, then looking for non-random movements to make predictions.
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10005996.shtml

Wow! and not a price action play your cards right Bruce Forsyth amongst them...higher lower...higher lower...lower higher....high low...lower highs...:D

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The greatest ever trade

You changed your mind re.'hedgies' now then ODT? :D Here's a great story with some excellent anecdotes...Paulson predicting the US house market crash...many of us knew it was coming but how to make billions from it was a totally different issue...

The greatest ever trade

It was the fall of 2007, financial markets were collapsing, and Wall Street firms were losing massive amounts of money, as if they were trying to give back a decade's worth of profits in a few brutal months. An investor named John Paulson somehow was scoring huge profits. His winnings were so enormous they seemed unreal, even cartoonish. His firm, Paulson & Co., would make $15 billion in 2007.

Mr. Paulson's personal cut would amount to nearly $4 billion, or more than $10 million a day. That was more than the 2007 earnings of J. K. Rowling, Oprah Winfrey and Tiger Woods put together. At one point in late 2007, a broker called to remind Mr. Paulson of a personal account worth $5 million, an account now so insignificant it had slipped his mind.

Mr. Paulson, known as J.P., bet that the housing market would collapse and risky mortgages would tumble in value. The moves put the fund manager from Queens, N.Y., alongside Warren Buffett, George Soros, and Bernard Baruch in Wall Street's pantheon of traders. And as one rival fund manager later would say, with equal parts envy and respect, "Paulson's not even a housing or mortgage guy.... Until this trade, he was run-of-the-mill, nothing special."

John Paulson launched his hedge fund in 1994. His forte was investing in corporate mergers that he viewed as the most likely to be completed, among the safest forms of investing. When he met with clients, they sometimes were surprised by his limp handshake and restrained manner, both unusual in an industry full of bluster. Younger hedge-fund traders went tieless and dressed casually, feeling confident in their abilities thanks to their soaring profits and growing stature. Mr. Paulson stuck with dark suits and muted ties.

By early 2006 the 49-year-old Mr. Paulson had reached his twilight years in accelerated Wall Street-career time. He had been eclipsed by a group of investors who had amassed huge fortunes in a few years. It was the fourth year of a spectacular surge in housing prices, the likes of which the nation never had seen. Everyone seemed to be making money hand over fist. Everyone but John Paulson.

"This is crazy," Mr. Paulson said to Paolo Pellegrini, one of his analysts.

Mr. Pellegrini felt his own pressures. A year earlier, the stylish native of Italy had called Mr. Paulson looking for a job after a career of disappointments. Paulson & Co. likely was his last stop on Wall Street.

Mr. Pellegrini spent hours in Mr. Paulson's office, debating how to deduce a turn in the housing market. Mr. Paulson charged Mr. Pellegrini with figuring out whether homes were, in fact, overpriced. Late at night, in his cubicle, Mr. Pellegrini tracked home prices across the country since 1975. Interest rates seemed to have no bearing on real estate. Grasping for new ideas, Mr. Pellegrini added a "trend line" that clearly illustrated how much prices had surged lately. He then performed a "regression analysis" to smooth the ups and downs.

The answer was in front of him: Housing prices had climbed a puny 1.4% annually between 1975 and 2000, after inflation. But they had soared over 7% in the following five years, until 2005. The upshot: U.S. home prices would have to drop by almost 40% to return to their historic trend line. Not only had prices climbed like never before, but Mr. Pellegrini's figures showed that each time housing had dropped in the past, it fell through the trend line, suggesting that an eventual drop likely would be brutal.

"This is unbelievable!" Mr. Paulson said the next morning. The chart was Mr. Paulson's Rosetta Stone enabling him to make sense of the housing market. They had to figure out how to profit from it.


“On the ATM screen was a figure she had never seen before: $45 million. It was part of her husband's 2007 bonus, a surprise deposit in their joint account. ”

By the spring, Mr. Paulson was convinced he had discovered the perfect trade. Insurance on risky home mortgages was trading at dirt-cheap prices. He would buy boatloads of credit-default swaps—or investments that served as insurance on risky mortgage debt. When housing hit the skids and homeowners defaulted on their mortgages, this insurance would rise in value—and Mr. Paulson would make a killing. If he could convince enough investors to back him, he could start a fund dedicated to this trade.

As Mr. Paulson and his team described their investment thesis to Nolan Randolph, an executive of a Texas firm Crestline Investors and an existing Paulson & Co. client, Mr. Randolph kept shaking his head. "We don't think your fund will add alpha," Mr. Randolph said, using the industry lingo for value. The downside was too big if the trade didn't pay off, he said. He turned them down.

Hoping to claim his alma mater, Harvard University, as an early client for his fund, Mr. Paulson traveled to Boston to meet with Mark Taborsky, who helped pick hedge funds for Harvard's endowment.

Mr. Taborsky was wary. Mr. Paulson's fund was willing to lose 8% a year to buy the mortgage insurance, which seemed like a lot. Mr. Taborsky also thought Mr. Paulson might be excessively gloomy about the housing market. Mr. Taborsky turned him down, too.

Even some investors who agreed with Mr. Paulson's view that housing prices would tumble doubted he would make much money because there was relatively little trading in the investments he was buying. He might have a hard time selling his investments without sending prices tumbling, shrinking any profits, they said.

"It looked like a dangerous game, taking one single bet that might be difficult to unwind," said Jack Doueck, a principal at Stillwater Capital, a New York firm that parcels out money to funds. He, too, said no to Mr. Paulson's fund.

Mr. Paulson's growing fixation on housing began to spark doubts about his business. One long-time client, big Swiss bank Union Bancaire Privée, received an urgent warning from a contact that Mr. Paulson was "straying" from his longtime focus, and that the bank should pull its money from Paulson & Co., fast. The bank stuck with Mr. Paulson but turned down his new fund.

By the summer of 2006, Mr. Paulson had managed to raise $147 million, mostly from friends and family, to launch a fund. Soon, Josh Birnbaum, a top Goldman Sachs trader, began calling and asked to come by his office. Sitting across from Mr. Paulson, Mr. Pellegrini, and his top trader, Brad Rosenberg, Mr. Birnbaum got to the point.

Not only were Mr. Birnbaum's clients eager to buy some of the mortgages that Paulson & Co. was betting against, but Mr. Birnbaum was, too. Mr. Birnbaum and his clients expected the mortgages, packaged as securities, to hold their value. "We've done the work and we don't see them taking losses," Mr. Birnbaum said.

After Mr. Birnbaum left, Mr. Rosenberg walked into Mr. Paulson's office, a bit shaken. Mr. Paulson seemed unmoved. "Keep buying, Brad," Mr. Paulson told Mr. Rosenberg.

Months into their new fund, Mr. Paulson and Mr. Pellegrini were eager to find more ways to bet against risky mortgages. Accumulating mortgage insurance in the market sometimes proved slow. They soon found a creative and controversial way to enlarge their trade.

They met with bankers at Bear Stearns, Deutsche Bank, Goldman Sachs, and other firms to ask if they would create securities—packages of mortgages called collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs—that Paulson & Co. could wager against.

The investment banks would sell the CDOs to clients who believed the value of the mortgages would hold up. Mr. Paulson would buy CDS insurance on the CDO mortgage investments—a bet that they would fall in value. This way, Mr. Paulson could wager against $1 billion or so of mortgage debt in one fell swoop.

Paulson & Co. wasn't doing anything new. A few other hedge funds also worked with banks to short CDOs the banks were creating. Hundreds of other CDOs were being created at the time. Other bankers, including those at Deutsche Bank and Goldman Sachs, didn't see anything wrong with Mr. Paulson's request and agreed to work with his team.

At Bear Stearns, however, Scott Eichel, a senior trader, and others met with Mr. Paulson and later turned him down. Mr. Eichel said he felt it would look improper for his firm. "On the one hand, we'd be selling the deals" to investors, without telling them that a bearish hedge fund was the impetus for the transaction, Mr. Eichel told a colleague; on the other hand, Bear Stearns would be helping Mr. Paulson wager against the deals.

Some investors later would argue that Mr. Paulson's actions indirectly led to the creation of additional dangerous CDO investments, resulting in billions of dollars of additional losses for those who owned the CDO slices.

At the time, though, Mr. Paulson still wasn't sure his trade would work. He simply was buying protection, he said. "We didn't create any securities, we never sold the securities to investors," Mr. Paulson said. "We always thought they were bad loans."

Paulson & Co. eventually bet against about $5 billion of CDOs. Months later, they had made more than $4 billion of profits from these trades—including $500 million from a single transaction—according to the hedge fund's investors and an employee of the firm.

One of the biggest losers was the bank that worked with Mr. Paulson on many of the deals: Deutsche Bank. The big bank had failed to sell all of the CDO deals it constructed and was stuck with chunks of toxic mortgages, suffering about $500 million of losses from these customized transactions, according to a senior executive of the German bank.

In late 2007, Mr. Pellegrini took his wife on vacation in Anguilla. Stopping at an automated-teller machine in the hotel lobby to withdraw some cash, she checked the balance of their checking account.

On the screen before her was a figure she had never seen before, at least not on an ATM. It's not clear how many others ever had, either: $45 million, newly deposited in their joint account. It was part of Mr. Pellegrini's bonus that year.​
:eek:

"Wow," his wife said quietly, staring at the ATM.

They left, arm in arm, meeting a chartered boat to take them to nearby St. Barts.

Mr. Paulson's personal tally for 2007: nearly $4 billion. It was the largest one-year payout in the history of the financial markets. The next year, he made another $5 billion for his firm by betting against financial companies with exposure to housing.

By the middle of 2009, a record one in 10 Americans was delinquent or in foreclosure on their mortgages. U.S. housing prices had fallen more than 30% from their 2006 peak. In cities such as Miami, Phoenix, and Las Vegas, real-estate values dropped more than 40%. Several million people lost their homes. And more than 30% of U.S. home owners held mortgages that were underwater, or greater than the value of their houses, the highest level in 75 years.

As Mr. Paulson and others at his office discussed how much was being spent by the United States and other nations to rescue areas of the economy crippled by the financial collapse, he discovered his next targets, certain they were as doomed to collapse as subprime mortgages once had been: the U.S. dollar and other major currencies.

Mr. Paulson made a calculation: The supply of dollars had expanded by 120% over several months. That surely would lead to a drop in its value, and an eventual surge in inflation. "What's the only asset that will hold value? It's got to be gold," Mr. Paulson argued.

Paulson & Co. had never dabbled in gold, and had no currency experts. He was also one of many warming to gold investments, worrying some investors. Some investors withdrew money from the fund, pushing his assets down to $28 billion or so.

Mr. Paulson acknowledged that his was a straightforward argument, but he paid the critics little heed.

"Three or four years from now, people will ask why they didn't buy gold earlier," Mr. Paulson said.

He purchased billions of dollars of gold investments. Betting against the dollar would be his new trade.

Adapted from "The Greatest Trade Ever" by Gregory Zuckerman, to be published Tuesday by Broadway Business. Copyright 2009 by Gregory Zuckerman.

Write to Gregory Zuckerman at [email protected]


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...40849179448.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_RIGHTTopCarousel
 
You changed your mind re.'hedgies' now then ODT? :D Here's a great story with some excellent anecdotes...Paulson predicting the US house market crash...many of us knew it was coming but how to make billions from it was a totally different issue...

I have not changed my mid on hedgies.If a few funds make money and overall the industry combined does not make any money, then the hedgies have not made any money overall.Overall they are useless.

Secondly some of these idiots are in the right place at the right time ,combine it with advise from expert in the respective fields,inside information from a rigged system and crooked investment bankers,it does not require more than an ordinary person to make billions.Some of these are one hit wonders.

The whole world has been long gold for last few years , even clueless dingbats .

There are ordinary traders hanging around forums who have done better these blue eyed failures from Harvard.Many ordinary people took on better currency trades than Paulson.

I was long on gold well before most of you.Almost 5 years ago.

O D T


http://www.trade2win.com/boards/gen...rading-ponzi-schemes-redemption-failures.html
 
Jim Symons is the world’s greatest trader .Jim simons has held top position among the top earners for over 1 decade.What makes a great trader is consistency in earnings , year after year.Ex-Math Professor Is America's Highest Earner.

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/11/06/2009110600681.html
His Earnings
2008 $2.7 billion
2007 $2.9 billion

34 percent annualized net return since 1988 . They charge a hefty 5% annual fee and 44% performance fee .

Charitable donations
RECORD $60M TO SCHOOL

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02282008/news/regionalnews/record_60m_to_school_99629.htm

http://www.nypost.com/video/?vxSite...el=NY Post&vxClipId=1458_245830&vxBitrate=700


In 2008 James Symons was the top earner with $2.5 billion amongst the top trader.He has done it year after year for over two decades.What this proves is automated /computer models work better than the brain in trading.

March 25 (Bloomberg) -- Following is a ranking of the highest-paid hedge fund managers in 2008, according to Institutional Investor magazine’s Alpha publication.
The top 25 managers earned a total of $11.6 billion in 2008, the third-best year on record, according to Alpha. The following table is ranked by the highest money earners:

Rank Person Firm 2008 est.
1 James Simons Renaissance Technologies Corp. $2.5 billion
2 John Paulson Paulson & Co. $2.0 billion
3 John Arnold Centaurus Energy $1.5 billion
4 George Soros Soros Fund Management $1.1 billion

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1013324.shtml

Math whiz Simons, who made $1.7 billion to repeat as No. 1, has assembled an army of rocket scientists to build complex computer models that rapidly trade markets around the world, hoping to exploit tiny price changes.

http://www.finfacts.com/irishfinancenews/article_1010178.shtml

For over two decades, Simons' Renaissance Technologies hedge fund, which trades in markets around the world, has employed complex mathematical models to analyze and execute trades--many of them automated. Renaissance uses computer-based models to predict price changes in easily-traded financial instruments. These models are based on analyzing as much data as can be gathered, then looking for non-random movements to make predictions.

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10005996.shtml



35% a year from 5,000 stocks is not that difficult , is it?Use Zanger's momentum strategy with fundamental's and only risking 2% per trade .It is that easy .20 losers in a year and 20 winners , winners have target of 2 * stop or 5% t/p

yes, it is
 
Id be interested in your opinions on his strategy.

i'd think he is a master insider trader :) thats y he got few PHd's workin for him who know nothin bout wall street n finance.

My guess is he uses a momentum strategy,if he was to disclose it his system will stop working.

He probably also uses a swing trend trading strategy buying stocks whose earnings beat expectations by substantial margin,and companies raising forecasts.

On the short side buying puts and short selling momentum/trending stocks.

I do not believe he has any formula that ordinary traders do not have.

With highly complex automated systems , traders do not need insider information , but Wall street sleeps in the same bed and inside information would not surprise me.

If traders have automated systems, stock scanners and monitoring software they do not need inside information

O D T
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Technologies

Like many other quantitative funds, their RIE Fund had difficulty with the higher volatility environment that persisted throughout the end of the summer of 2007. According to an August 10 article in Bloomberg by Katherine Burton, "James Simons's $29 billion Renaissance Institutional Equities Fund fell 8.7% in the August, 2009, when his computer models used to buy and sell stocks were overwhelmed by securities' price swings. The two-year-old quantitative, or 'quant,' hedge fund now has declined 7.4 percent for the year. Simons said other hedge funds have been forced to sell positions, short-circuiting statistical models based on the relationships among securities."[5]
 
Re: The greatest ever trade

You changed your mind re.'hedgies' now then ODT? :D Here's a great story with some excellent anecdotes...Paulson predicting the US house market crash...many of us knew it was coming but how to make billions from it was a totally different issue...

The greatest ever trade

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Do you know the difference between trading and robbing others?
 
Mind you although Medallion, the fund that was closed to new clients years ago, and now is only run for Rentec employees has continued to do extremely well, the other funds, which are open to clients (REIF and RIFF) are by no means as successful.

This is the most up-to-date relevant article I have been able to find so far:

http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story.asp?storyid={B067928E-43BD-4283-AFD8-2C1AA80520D8}


Another version of that story:

http://www.wealth-bulletin.com/portfolio/content/4058549611/


Another related story:

http://www.wealth-bulletin.com/portfolio/content/4058549611/

And this seems to be a copy of that WSJ story, but you don't need a subscription to read it:

http://www.efinancialnews.com/story/18-03-2010/renaissance-hedge-fund-succession
 
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Re: The greatest ever trade

Do you know the difference between trading and robbing others?

with regards to the markets, the difference in non existent

as a good trader, you go short some stock/currency pair etc, while the majority of fools go long with their herd mentality, the stock/currency pair dives in value, you take profits = you robbed the of their lovely $$$.

All the money they lose becomes your profits, that is to say you robbed them legally :smart:
 
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